I think males should be banned from female sport and anyone should be allowed to enter the male / open category. The US President has just signed an executive order saying this.

Terrible idea, women wouldn’t even qualify for most
elite events if there was only one ‘open’ category.

Not much good for women wanting to compete.

In thirty years people are going to look back not his moment re: males competing in women’s sport, and be baffled by how it happened!

The "open" category is the only one that should exist. Everyone should compete together. Sport is a meritocracy, people should be grouped on ability. There are plenty of female athletes who are better than some men who play the same sport.

The females are classed as doping by taking performancing enhansing drugs as they chase the "male" hormones levels of testosterone.

This is agonising. Why on earth are the left leaving reality and common sense to be 'wins' for Trump and the right? They seem determined to throw the votes of the vast majority away.

They so aren't @littledotheyknow
Any biology book will explain it to you in easy to understand pictures.
Your username is quite ironic.

No Executive Order that I can find on abortion rights.

Which are dealt with at state level, a situation which persisted throughout Democratic presidencies and which the Democrats made no attempt to alter.

Incidentally, at the same time as the Presidential election (and others) there were ballots on abortion rights in 10 states - and the measures passed in 7 of them.

Including Arizona, Missouri, Nevada and Montana, which Trump won.

Nobody is going to change their minds

I actually disagree with this @EmmaMaria

I think many people say twaw because they haven't actually thought about it as it doesn't impact them and the marketing has filtered through that it's the 'nice' thing to say. Once anyone sane thinks about it, and it's impact, they will change their mind.

Trans women are trans women. They are not women.

You can’t change an XX to a XY or reverse.

Its about time biological men where stopped from stamping all over women’s sports and spaces frankly.

This feels like a pretty duff outcome (albeit perhaps not as duff as men playing in women's sports). If a man were to say he wasn't comfortable competing against a woman in e.g. rugby I'd think that was pretty fair.

So-called "trans women" are males.

Fair point, well made.

You don't have to be here...

lol

Many self described left wing people I know support the TWAW nonsense precisely because the right wing do not. They don’t want to be seen as finding common cause with right wing fundamentalists, Christians etc so they go along with the trans rights groups who insist anyone who doesn’t believe men can be women is a bigot.

It’s actually a bit insane. The left has allowed itself to be cowed by activists and so they deny biological fact just so they are on the ‘right side’. I’ve given up arguing with left leaning friends who believe a man in a skirt and make up has no biological advantage over women and should be allowed to compete against us in sports and share prison space with women.

And as a PP has pointed out, if TWAW then why the need to have ‘trans women’ at the beginning of that mantra. Shouldn’t it just be ‘women are women’. It’s almost as if trans women are different from bio women in some way.

The problem is with the separate category for those who have actually committed to the hormones to make changes to their body - is that there is far too few of them to make a separate category. Certainly not for something like the Olympics which have rules like 'this sport must be played in x number of countries by x number players.' It's just tough really. In the same way that 99% of the population also have no opportunity ti get ti the Olympics as they're too short, too poor etc etc

I think you mean you can smell the testosterone coming off that statement.

I’m interested to see how an open category works out. I predict just about every trans person getting the arses handed them in competitions that pitch them against biological men.

The boxing matches will be a sight to behold.

Presumably trans men if they are on testosterone treatment would have to compete in an open category too?

Not getting involved in this toxicity one way or another - but this is at least the 3rd AIBU you have started, all on the "trans issue" in less than 24 hours. Avoiding the feminism boards because they are so toxic, so now it's "leaking" into other areas. Do we really need more of this? Nobody is going to change their minds, and between the "trans rants" (on either side), the M&H rants, the benefits / disabled people rants, and the bloody ads / crappy working of the site, it's getting to be a place that is no longer welcoming of anyone at all.

Surely if "Trans women are women" were true the statement would be "women are women" which excludes trans women.
I'm cool with that if y'all are!

It'll make the categories in the LA olympics interesting...

I don't think this order does make it easier to talk about these issues without being called a bigot, though. Because the person ordering it is a known bigot and many people of all political persuasions will not wish to be seen to be siding with him. And those calling women transphobic/ TERFs for holding the same views will use this as proof that we're all bigoted.

Fwiw, I agree. But I wish it was a balanced, sensible leader who was articulating it in a less divisive and more meaningful and sensitive way.

You can smell the desperation coming off that statement.

We don’t fall for that gaslighting bullshit any more.

I think it is more that he couldn't give a shiny shit about women, but this is a useful populist tool to keep idiots on his side.

Women's rights in the US are in dire straits. Preventing trans women compete in women's events is a hollow victory in the face of diminished healthcare and abortion rights.