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CarobBean72 · 2025-02-04T17:30:13+00:00

So there we were on Saturday, holding a silent vigil in the centre of Norwich in solidarity with Afghan women & girls - a group of us including Jewish & Muslim women and a baby in a pushchair. And we got a torrent of abuse from… no, not actually the Taliban, but an elected City Councillor, a trans-identified woman, shouting that we were Nazis & “transphobes” (she knows some of us to be Jewish). Not that the vigil, which lasted all of 30 minutes, was anything about “trans”. Except in the terms of that meme “It’s transphobic! What was the question?”

Igmum · 15/02/2025 07:42

Thank you for the vigil @CarobBean72 and yes it looks like this is the impact of too many wrong sex hormones on an already disturbed mind. I hope the Police charge her.

fromorbit · 15/02/2025 07:06

Sazzasez · 14/02/2025 17:04

The latest:

https://archive.ph/n6nUk

WRN response:

This is so odd. @norwich_s & @WomensRightsNet
members held a vigil for the women of Afghanistan, one of many across the UK.

If Councillor Charlie Caine hadn't shouted slurs at the assembled women, there would be no row.

Caine's behaviour was abhorrent, Councillor Oliver.

https://x.com/WRNNorfolk/status/1890379217944068282

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https://x.com/WRNNorfolk/status/1890379217944068282

EdithStourton · 14/02/2025 17:07

Norwich used to be such a sensible city.

Sazzasez · 14/02/2025 17:04

The latest:

https://archive.ph/n6nUk

Sazzasez · 14/02/2025 17:01

Over on Twitter on the Norwich Women’s Rights Group a poor dupe “Actually Autistic” “Trans Ally” has been pushing Caine’s “side” of the story - ie lies - and continuing the harassment.

Until one of our members DMed him the crime report number & mentioned that the investigating officer was keen to get in touch with Cllr Caine, & could he pass the message on.

And just like that, it’s gone!

(But the screenshots live on…)

EdithStourton · 13/02/2025 07:32

CarobBean72 · 13/02/2025 01:34

I don’t know if anyone here is on the Book of Face but the comments on the EDP page under the article are bonkers

Aren't they just! Unhinged, some of them. Enlightening breakfast time reading.

fromorbit · 13/02/2025 07:31

Great that the BBC are covering this in a decent way they actually beat the Mail and Telegraph for a change and I imagine the rest of the press will not be far behind in covering this madness. More sunlight!

The Eastern Daily Press have run another article their original story was great in breaking the news. Sounds like the local Greens are split between TA bigots and normal people.
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24928867.norwich-green-party-members-criticise-charlie-caine/

Remember it is 3 months to the local elections the Greens need to learn that denying women exist is crazy and will cost them votes. The Norfolk elections are not coming till 2026 but stories like this have an impact UK wide. Normality is resuming. Men and women are real. Telling the truth is not evil denying the truth is.

Local people keep complaining to everyone.

Senior Green breaks ranks over 'Nazi' row engulfing Norfolk party

Members of the Norwich Green Party have voiced criticism of city councillor Charlie Caine over accusations made by a women's group.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24928867.norwich-green-party-members-criticise-charlie-caine

cariadlet · 13/02/2025 06:35

Looks like the police are investigating and it's causing problems for the local Green Party.

Good!
BBC News - Claim Norwich city councillor called women at vigil 'Nazis' - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkj5j3631do

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CarobBean72 · 13/02/2025 01:34

I don’t know if anyone here is on the Book of Face but the comments on the EDP page under the article are bonkers

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WillIEverBeOk · 11/02/2025 13:27

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You are so full of INTENSE HATE for women, @OneHardyAmberTraybake I feel truly sorry for you. You are so anti-women, so femphobic and so misogynistic I can only presume you're a misogynist bigot and possibly incel. You're anti-women hate is PALPABLE, as is your disjointed need to use a new paragraph for each sentence, possibly goes along with your pathology.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 11/02/2025 13:19

I hope other posters agree - it's not worth getting worked up about a post like this, it's sad that are people who carry around hatred like this

thats very good of you

yes very sad

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MarieDeGournay · 11/02/2025 13:17

Sorry you feel that way, OneHardyAmberTraybake , that's a lot of fury to carry round in your head. Maybe you feel better for having unloaded it here on us?
I'll take it in that spirit, the unloading of fury and hatred, and I won't take it personally.
I hope other posters agree - it's not worth getting worked up about a post like this, it's sad that are people who carry around hatred like this.

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Sazzasez · 09/02/2025 19:05

cariadlet · 05/02/2025 05:36

Of course, Norwich Greens have the equally deranged Alec Catt as deputy leader.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/norwich-confidential

Yeah - I was there & thought of raising it with my local councillor - until I realised it’s Alex Catt!

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CarobBean72 · 06/02/2025 11:23

Grammarnut · 06/02/2025 11:00

That sounds as if Charlie Caine has serious mental issues and needs counselling to return to being a woman rather than pretending to be a man. Could be trauma of some event in her past which is causing the entire trans thing.

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I can’t diagnose, but a lot of people who have known her since she was a kid have felt she’s unhinged, and I doubt taking steroids like Testosterone is helping.

if you saw the utterly cringe-ridden documentary about trans in Norwich, she’s the one conducting a community choir at the community centre that’s become her power base, to sing “We are ‘c!s’ and ‘trans’ together” to the tune of “What a friend we have in Jesus” - I kid you not.

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PerkingFaintly · 06/02/2025 11:22

Sarah Ditum's excellent article about PIE becoming parasitic in the gay rights movement springs to mind.

It's a technique.

Become parasitic in existing movements about other issues, which have lots of supporters, and try to take those supporters with you.

Bonus points if it's an organisation you didn't like in the first place, and your parasitism destroys it after it's finished being useful to you.

Grammarnut · 06/02/2025 11:00

CarobBean72 · 05/02/2025 23:32

I wasn’t at the annual Commemoration of Murdered Women that Norwich WRN do on White Ribbon Day - reading names of women killed by men in the previous 12 months - but apparently Charlie Caine also shouted abuse (“TERF scum!”) at them then, in 2023.

i think it’s unlikely Charlie’s hatred comes from theories about “White Feminism”.

Apart from us not all being white, she seems more motivated by personal grudges against individuals, & by anything relating to or using the word “women”.

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That sounds as if Charlie Caine has serious mental issues and needs counselling to return to being a woman rather than pretending to be a man. Could be trauma of some event in her past which is causing the entire trans thing.

Sawcootstoday · 06/02/2025 07:36

ArabellaScott · 04/02/2025 19:38

I'm so sorry, OP.

As an ex GP member I feel embarrassed and ashamed.

There are good people in the party, I promise. Unfortunately currently being held hostage by very loud and very unhinged TRAs.

Yes, this. I left the Green Party because I didn't feel feminists are welcome there. It was distressing leaving, I'd been active in the past (as in, leafleting and standing as a paper candidate), and I'm left with no party I want to vote for.

There are veey good people there and I hope the rest start to see some sense after appalling scenes like this.

cariadlet · 06/02/2025 07:28

Yes, Women's Rights Network are holding more vigils. The next one will be in March. Visit the Afghan page on the WRN website for more info.

SensibleJaneAndrews · 06/02/2025 07:26

This is utterly appalling. This woman has the luxury of pretending her sex away, whilst women in Afghanistan literally can’t move or speak. Well done to all of you for holding the vigil - will there be more? And in other areas? I will gladly join one local to me. I’m so glad you are all complaining about the behaviour, this entitled idiot needs to learn a lesson.

Sazzasez · 05/02/2025 23:56

cariadlet · 04/02/2025 21:17

I understand that the councillor is a woman who identifies as a man.

I wonder if all the testosterone shots are why she has behaved in such an aggressively male way.

A woman, in a relationship with a woman, both of whom identify as gay men.

I was there. I’ve complained to the council, and to the police (harassment) & I’m in the process of complaining to the Green Party.

We’re going to continue holding vigils though!

I’d complain to my local councillor - but it’s Alex Catt!

Or maybe I should anyway?

Enough4me · 05/02/2025 23:41

I was shocked and then read 'Green party' and it made sense. It used to be a party about the environment and now it's the one that always seems to come up when very extreme and odd candidate behaviour is mentioned. Like they congregate as a movement against common sense.

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CarobBean72 · 05/02/2025 23:32

Grammarnut · 05/02/2025 22:39

I might have found an angle on the abuse of the support Afghan women protest. There is a book out by Rafia Zakaria,Against White Feminism: Notes on Disruption, in which Zakaria blames white feminism for colonialism, the invasion of Afghanistan, imperialism, equating honour killing with partner killing in the US (I marginally agree here, both are a result of patriarchy - the difference is that hardly anyone in the US thinks partner abuse is fine, nowadays, whereas many men and women in some developing countries will support/collude with honour killing - and FGM is carried out by women). Possibly this book/article is the origin of the 'Nazi' insult? It's the sort of thing some intersectional feminists would take on board.
https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecut.com%2F2021%2F08%2Frafia-zakaria-against-white-feminism-book.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C8321a87ed5fe4e87114808dd4624c024%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638743845838125539%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0dWqD%2ByR51G4HOSnEWIa58IZZQ3ivdMl1wD3aSNWWh4%3D&reserved=0
Sorry link is so long.

I wasn’t at the annual Commemoration of Murdered Women that Norwich WRN do on White Ribbon Day - reading names of women killed by men in the previous 12 months - but apparently Charlie Caine also shouted abuse (“TERF scum!”) at them then, in 2023.

i think it’s unlikely Charlie’s hatred comes from theories about “White Feminism”.

Apart from us not all being white, she seems more motivated by personal grudges against individuals, & by anything relating to or using the word “women”.

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CarobBean72 · 05/02/2025 23:23

cariadlet · 05/02/2025 05:28

Interesting. She was elected in May 2024, according to this.

x.com/NorwichGreens/status/1786689175648956713?t=R9LZRisspbTPhKQTDo3h8g&s=19

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Given her conduct previously (including threats to two of our local members, one of whom was there on Saturday & abused by name) the most surprising thing is that Norwich Green Party dont vet their candidates’ social media.

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