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Actual gender critical left

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JumpingPumpkin · 29/01/2025 14:18

I read this on their FB page today. I'm under no illusions as to whether Trump is genuinely supportive of women's rights (I don't believe he is), however I don't see how any of this was going to get resolved with the insane left in power.

There was no indication that any rollback was going to happen with Biden/Harris. I'm just wondering if anyone can comment on this as I do feel Trump is going to be a disaster in other areas.

"Ruth Serwotka:

"I'm not disappointed or shocked to see a large number of women who claim to be 'gender critical' embrace Trump and his billionaire oligarchy. It was written in the politics of many of them years ago.

Repeatedly I and other socialist feminists pointed out the ultra right wing drift, the myopic, endless focus on one thing to the point of banality, the reactionary evolution towards the Proud Boys and the shift towards upholding of traditional gender norms that implies.

Many of these women have become the enablers of a new age of reaction in America and elsewhere. They're currently on Musks social media platform cracking stupid jokes about the world not being in the grip of lunatics. They're celebrating as a victory that Trump has declared the existence of only two sexes (as if he's a deity).

There is zero focus on the fact Trump knows for sure which is the better sex, or his complaint that malign feminine energy, otherwise known as feminism, has brought America to its knees. No worries for our GC's. Nothing to see. Let's say we've won!

Well, biological sex is real for sure, but women have won nothing with Tumps election and could well lose everything, especially reproductive rights.

As matters progress I'm interested to see whether the "GCs" will unravel in the face of mass deportations of women and children, or enforced child bearing or the loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality. Will they admit their hapless, clueless niavety or will they finally go down as red hot fascists in the end?"

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SionnachRuadh · 29/01/2025 22:27

Moat people who bandy this term around wouldn’t know a fascist if they tripped over them in the dark. To them it’s another way of saying “politically to the right of me”, even if that means someone is just further towards the centre-left or a centrist. They’re terrified of someone who has a different opinion from them, to them that’s evil as they are Good People with Correct Views.

They have no idea about actual fascism.

Since the left's demand for fascism far outstrips the supply, the definition has to keep expanding.

Looking at the latest annual report from Hope Not Hate - who are paid by the government on the basis that they're supposed to be some kind of experts - the "far right" seems to encompass everyone who's slightly more conservative than Penny Mordaunt.

KateBAnd3 · 29/01/2025 22:22

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 21:42

The dawning realisation for me, in the last few years, is that the left don't care about women either.

Sure, they'll play along when it suits them (see abortion rights, which have benefits to men too). But they didn't care enough to secure women's abortion rights when they had the chance, they walked out of Afghanistan in the full knowledge of what that would mean for its women. And the second women's rights came into conflict with delusional men, they backed the bros enthusiastically.

So consider my eyes well and truly opened. 🙄

My thoughts exactly. It's impossible to defend reproductive rights when you cannot define 'woman'. Whilst American feminists and the Democrats were busy tying themselves in knots over 'pregnant people' and the contraceptive needs of LGBTQI+ folks (who would, surely, have to try REALLY QUITE HARD to get pregnant), the Republican-appointed judges changed the law on abortion.

I despise Trump and all that he stands for, but on this single issue he is correct and the longer the Democrats continue to deny and obfuscate, the less electable they will become. I can only hope Starmer and the British left are willing to heed the lesson over here.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 29/01/2025 22:19

Bullshit about the left again OP.

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 22:18

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:13

Full public repentance is required.

Good to know. Maybe someone could send me the memo so I'm on top of the details

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:13

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2025 22:12

General rending of clothes and self flagellation, I suppose. Who knows.

Full public repentance is required.

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2025 22:12

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 20:10

What exactly is the complaint here? That we think it's a good executive order?

Are we supposed to pretend we think it's a bad one because Trump?

Yeah, I don't understand this either. What's the 'appropriate' response that they want here?

General rending of clothes and self flagellation, I suppose. Who knows.

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:11

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/01/2025 20:15

It would seem so

let’s hope trump doesn’t announce he believes gravity is real too

I heard that he believes today is Wednesday. Anyone who believes that too is clearly a screaming fascist too, yes?

What is your definition of actual fascists /fascism?

Moat people who bandy this term around wouldn’t know a fascist if they tripped over them in the dark. To them it’s another way of saying “politically to the right of me”, even if that means someone is just further towards the centre-left or a centrist. They’re terrified of someone who has a different opinion from them, to them that’s evil as they are Good People with Correct Views.

They have no idea about actual fascism.

MsNeis · 29/01/2025 21:57

UtopiaPlanitia · 29/01/2025 14:36

Within countries with two party systems, like the UK and US, ending the influence of Genderism on society is a bipartisan endeavour because Genderism negatively affects everyone in society and it affects women of all political persuasions.

I have no problem in working across the aisle with people on various issues and working to counter them on other issues; for me that’s perfectly normal and practical political behaviour.

In general, we need to build coalitions from those who see the problems that Genderism causes and we need to work together (each according to their means, skills and abilities) to remove its negative influence from government, civil institutions, the public sector, the private sector…from everywhere basically.

I think Serwotka et al seem to enjoy feeling politically and morally superior to others on this issue (and other issues). But I don’t care what they think, I will continue supporting practical efforts that work ‘across the aisle’ and try to reach as many people as possible.

I very much agree with this 👍

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2025 21:56

I am sure it will not bother RS and the coterie of AGCL that I have absolutely zero interest in anything they have to say. They achieved the square root of bugger all.

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 21:42

The dawning realisation for me, in the last few years, is that the left don't care about women either.

Sure, they'll play along when it suits them (see abortion rights, which have benefits to men too). But they didn't care enough to secure women's abortion rights when they had the chance, they walked out of Afghanistan in the full knowledge of what that would mean for its women. And the second women's rights came into conflict with delusional men, they backed the bros enthusiastically.

So consider my eyes well and truly opened. 🙄

lifeturnsonadime · 29/01/2025 21:30

Well, biological sex is real for sure, but women have won nothing with Tumps election and could well lose everything, especially reproductive rights.

Well if the Left hadn't been such a disappointment......

They only ever see reproductive rights as a carrot to dangle at election time and didn't give a fuck about biological sex , so.....

Delphin · 29/01/2025 21:26

WaitingForTheDoubleDecker · 29/01/2025 19:55

And yet one EO has GCs pretending a far right US administration has provided the new bedrock of women's rights. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious. Ruth S and co are supercilious arses without a doubt, but GCs patting themselves on the back because they're only in the foothills of fuck around and find out mountain is quite the delusional bollocks. You got in bed with actual fascists cos you thought you were being pragmatic, but you got played to leverage their power, as was always going to happen. Now Trump et al is going to ride roughshod over everything, but hey, at least you get to bully gnc women out of the women's bogs and bring up African toilet twinning as an excuse. Well done.

"You got in bed with actual fascists "

What is your definition of actual fascists /fascism?

(I went to school in Germany, and it's generally frowned upon here to use fascism as as a club to pummel the opposition when you have no winning argument. It's intellectually lazy and also just shows that you haven't actually understood what fascism is)

Floisme · 29/01/2025 21:24

Note to self: Dont feed the trolls.

Thank you for the reminder. It's a shame in a way as I was quite pleased with the post I was just about to make but you're right. I've deleted it and I'm going back to Kara Dansky's book now, goodnight all.

ElizaMulvil · 29/01/2025 20:56

Not all the left accept that men can be women. Large numbers in the Labour Party don't and the Communist Party (surely on the left)
categorically doesn't.

Bannedontherun · 29/01/2025 20:48

@JumpingPumpkin I know what you mean, my daughter asked if i was going to vote tory at the election, i had to explain to her that tribal loyalties are not an independent way of thinking and that i could agree with others of differing religious or political persuasions without betraying my own values. And further more, most humans have good and bad qualities.

JumpingPumpkin · 29/01/2025 20:43

I just want to say thanks for all the interesting responses on here, good to know some more background about AGCL.

I just find those guilt by association accusations sometimes throw me and I wanted to hear others' thoughts.

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AlisonDonut · 29/01/2025 20:36

Yar boo sucks and shove it up yer [redacted] Ruth you absolute clown.

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MarieDeGournay · 29/01/2025 20:25

It would be more difficult to claim that the roll-back of trans overreach in the US is going to lead inevitably to the loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality if we weren't stuck with the LGBTQ++ acronym.

As has been pointed out many many times, the T was not only 'force-teamed' with the LGB, but it has smothered it. An official recognition that there are only two sexes is not a problem for lesbians and gays, and will hopefully result in greater freedom for lesbians.
LGB✂T.

IwantToRetire · 29/01/2025 20:24

As someone who seems to quite frequently post on other threads about not allowing derailers to hijack a thread by responding to their deliberate provocation, I should maybe have heeded my own advice.

Note to self: Dont feed the trolls.

SinnerBoy · 29/01/2025 20:23

It's a bit like claiming that having seen a pearl earring in a giant turd, that the GC crowd want to sit in an Olympic sized swimming pool of turds. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

I like the trains to run in time, does that make me an adherent of Mussolini? No, of course not.

Over educated idiots like RS, who've never had a proper job may have some laudable aims, such as fair pay and conditions, but on other things, they're all a bit People's Poet, aren't they?

Subscribing to some mad shit and being so utterly convinced of their own moral rectitude that they can never, ever concede, or compromise. They have far more in common with the Tangerine Felon than they could ever understand.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/01/2025 20:20

Am I an MN regular and does that mean I have a Big Brain, I've always wanted a Big Brain, it's better than having a big head, especially if it's one of those ones with lots of space between the ears. 😊

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 20:19

And in what sense has anyone here 'got into bed' with Trump? I doubt anyone on this thread had a vote.

Bannedontherun · 29/01/2025 20:19

i am left wing, do not in any way shape or form like trump, but think these EO as with all the other things going well for the erosion of genderism, are a good thing.

Cannot stand the misuse of the word facist it boils my blood especially on this particular day.

Bannedontherun · 29/01/2025 20:16

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/01/2025 20:14

so you believe in gender stereotypes and that men with long hair and dresses are in fact women and if they want to attend any group for women they are welcome

that's good to know

I could see that coming whilst waiting for a bus 😂😂