Actual gender critical left

This.

I think USA politics differ from UK in that they like to have the "issues" - so democrats had what near 50 ish years of making out voting Republican would lead to loss of abortion rights while actually never finding the time to put in a federal law to uphold the shaky Roe v. Wade ruling that was always under threat.

There also seem to be this whining that people should just vote for them - rather than going out and convincing people - one of the main points of political parties.

See similar with some Labour supporters on here and many who also now moan the current government polices get criticized as if somehow no one should dare as if they are just the "good guys" and their polices aren't adversely affecting people's lives. You have power you make choices some people will get raw end of the deal and they will likely be vocal trying to get people on side to overturn decisions or get a party in that will next time. All this is basic politics.

Love Megyn Kelly too. She's open minded - she changed her mind on this, did her research, knows her stuff. Backed Trump despite not liking some of his personal behaviour which she's been very open about. She's a big reason a lot of people in the US have finally felt able to speak up about common sense on biological reality, I think.

I love her, she's intelligent and thoughtful and I agree with everything you say. She's done huge amounts to raise awareness and is actually pretty balanced in all her analysis and commentary. But you know apparently "Far Right"

I bagsy the triangle. Will have to work on a slogan.

Megyn Kelly says she can detect lots of fingerprints on these EOs. I don't know if she had any discussions, but I suspect she's been one of the most important people in getting us here - and as a lawyer she'll have known exactly what needed to be done.

MK has been really open about her own evolution from a Be Kinder to full on GC, and almost a single-issue voter on this. We know she's had a rocky history with Trump, and she says it was only the Biden admin's rewrite of Title IX that converted her into a firm Trump voter, because that was the most effective way to stop the madness.

I can't think of anyone who's had a bigger impact in getting the arguments out to American audiences. I keep recommending her long interview with Riley Gaines for anyone who wants a breakdown of the sports issue. And she's had Helen Joyce on the show, and KJK... and even debated the issue with left wing Congressman Ro Khanna, where I don't think they came close to converting each other, but some people on the fence must have watched it.

So, if we've got EOs with a very precise focus on what women and children need, and a lack of dumb Matt Walshisms, MK has to get some of the credit.'

But - as our betters keep reminding us - no good can come of talking to people on the right!

The harder left are wrong that conservative woman cannot be feminists. Just as they are wrong that left wing men are naturally more feminist allies than right wing men.

The harder left has become too obsessed with the idea of everyone either being an oppressor or oppressed, and as a result have lost all common sense. Its lead to them to compromise child safeguarding and womens dignity with the rights of men claim to be women. And ideological they can get out of it.

The harder right support trans ideology because of libertarian ideas. But once the harm to others is established, they can turn away from trans rights and stay libertarian.

Gail "Does one of the AGCL follow ringing a bell and shouting Shame?"

That so reminds me of the TRA preference for tambourine+"repent motherfucker". I feel we are missing a trick in not having our own instrument/call-to-arms combo.

That is a distinction possibility that they are playing that under the table game. They can send in people they know will deliver what they want mostly, such as Kara and team, get May Mailman to produce it and get it signed. And still be able to remain able to stay on the sidelines declaring how horrible some people and their approach to politics are.

They can claim it was all their ideas and that those delivering the outcome took those ideas but they should be credited. All while never getting their own hands mucky from having to do what most lobbyists do - work across the political spectrum to get the policies they want in.

Are there successful lobbyist groups who can claim to never have worked directly with teams of political leaders they abhor if that team is in power ? If there are, I would love to know which group. Because I want to know how they did it all.

I was going to mention Afghanistan too. Biden was quoted in the Times (and I’m afraid I’ll never dig out the article, it was too long ago) as reportedly saying he wasn’t going to keep the US presence in Afghanistan for ‘a bunch of women’. He belittled women’s rights from the off. With tragic consequences - both home and away.

The ‘actual gender critical left’ are a failure and should apologise to all women everywhere for being so shite.

I don't know - I think they might have won a 4D chess game. They didn't manage to persuade the left, but they might have just baited the right into doing the right thing.

I think at best we thought Trump might let some Matt Walsh type knock together some ill-thought-out headline-grabbing anti-trans measures that failed to actually grasp what the real problem was.

What we got was something that although it may not be coming from a radfem philosophy, manages to take on board and address almost all the actual practical measures that we've been advocating.

Putting together orders so GC-aligned (yes, he's aligning with us, not vice versa), avoiding every dumb Matt Walshism, and creating something that could have been put together any radfem, but sticking it under Trump's name is kind of the biggest poke in the eye imaginable to the AGCL crowd. Who won't be able to say anything good about it, won't be able to say anything bad about it (apart from carrying on the general background "Orange man bad" bleating that clearly bears no relation to this particular EO), and will end up falling back to the usual attacks on women.

So they've served as a target to satisfy the right-wing "annoy the libs and feminists" instinct. The authors could assure the president:

"Acting on this will create a real electoral liability for the Democrats, cos it's exactly what the vast majority of the population wants. But on top of that, if you do exactly what a large chunk of the radical feminists who would never vote for you anyway wants, it will really piss them off because it's you doing it, and they'll try to kick off a bunch of left-wing infighting".

"Sounds fantastic! Get to it".

So maybe inwardly Ruth Serwotka and all are having a warm glow about a job well done, but they've got to keep up the whole "I really hate Trump carrying out my policies and I'm going to shout at women whenever he does" shtick to make sure he keeps doing exactly what they want.

"Mr President - do you want to wind up the radfems again?" "You betcha. Man, doing what radfems want is so much more fun than undermining women's rights. Better for votes too! Wish I'd realised that earlier."

I hope I haven't blown the cunning plan. But maybe I'm playing 6D chess.

Also, on the abortion issue, I wonder how long the academic activist left has had a hold over progressive politics that has stalled progress via compromise.
I remember, back in the last century, hearing arguments about how Jimmy Carter's policy that abortion should be "safe, legal and rare" was actually not about ensuring women had access to abortions but rather about controlling women because otherwise you wouldn't care whether it was rare or not.

At the time I remember kind of accepting the authority of the people making the argument, even though it sounded unconvincing to me. But now I think it shows such a refusal to compromise that no wonder legislating at the Federal level in the USA never got anywhere.

I was completely taken by surprise reading the Project2025 chapter on taking down Big Pharma and untangling the research / approval / policy tangles between government, civil service, and industry.
I think, beyond Trump's wing of the Republican party, the child gender medicine scandal has shocked U.S. conservatives more widely out of their libertarian take on healthcare. There is acknowledgement that we can't leave it to the market to decide - that there is, objectively, such a thing as "health," and market forces won't always push society towards it.
It's a big change for American style right wingers. They have always resisted thinking of healthcare as a right, and have wanted it treated as a consumer choice issue.
Their position on abortion has always been at odds with this, so I can understand why people are expecting these shifts will shore up the desire on the right to legislate against abortion. Trump doesn't share any of the socially conservative beliefs of the Evangelicals so I don't know how far they'll get.

Susan Dalgety has written movingly about the issue of being a Left-wing feminist and supporting Trump's EOs on women's rights and child transition:

https://susandalgety.substack.com/p/trump-is-an-extremist-but-his-policy

"[Trump's] proclamation earlier this week on sex and gender may have an unwieldy title – “Defending Women from Gender Ideology and Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government” – but its core message is simple: a woman is an adult human female. A statement of fact that in recent years has been dismissed as bigotry by a succession of leading progressive politicians, both in the USA and here in Scotland. Who can forget former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon dismissing the views of women’s rights campaigners as “not valid”? Or Prime Minister Keir Starmer insisting that some women have penises. And worst of all, Scottish Green MSP Maggie Chapman suggesting, in parliament, that children as young as eight should be able to change their legal sex....

...Trump’s executive order highlights what women’s rights campaigners have tried for a decade to explain to left-leaning MSPs and MPs – that the erasure of the biological reality of sex “fundamentally attack[s] women by depriving them of their dignity, safety, and well-being.” And as it points out, truth is critical to scientific inquiry, public safety, even trust in government in itself. But for a decade, the truth in Scotland was obscured by progress flags, ignored by politicians and public bodies more interested in winning plaudits from trans activists than listening to the concerns of ordinary people.

...As the polls here show, an increasing number of voters are turning to the Reform party led by Nigel Farage, another populist with a sizeable ego and, unsurprisingly, close to Donald Trump. Surely it is time for UK politicians, from Holyrood to Westminster, to stop blaming people for shifting to the right, and instead examine why voters are fed-up being told they are on the wrong side of a culture war, one that was started by progressives in lieu of tackling tough challenges like the housing emergency and a stagnant economy. And so-called progressive politicians need to examine their conscience about the terrible impact their enthusiastic support for gender identity theory has had on the nation’s children....

...It may be too late for the left here to stop the drift of voters to populist politicians such as Farage, despite being warned that their betrayal of women’s rights was, in part, responsible for driving people away. But it is not too late to save the real victims of this ridiculous culture war – our children. And you don’t have to like Donald Trump to agree with him that sex matters."

Worth noting though that this isn't the case everywhere, communist parties in Canada, NZ, and Australia, when I looked about a year ago, all supported gender ideology.

Left parties that don't are outliers.

The AGCL have had a lot of time on their hands waiting for that seat on the table. Obviously not enough time to critise the left, but enough time to imagine a dystopian future.

Women had two choices - get wins regarding child transition, knowing there is a possibility of other fights down the line.

Or watch as more and more children are groomed into transitioning.

The only way they could claim moral superiority is to believe a prolonged environment of childhood transitioning is the better outcome.

If only Ruth and pals had managed to convince the left to stand up to Genderism - if they hadn’t been so useless at defending women’s rights there would’ve been no vacuum for Trump to fill.

The ‘actual gender critical left’ are a failure and should apologise to all women everywhere for being so shite.

I don't claim to be 'gender critical' - TRAs put that label on me.

As matters progress I'm interested to see whether the "GCs" will unravel in the face of mass deportations of women and children, or enforced child bearing or the loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality. Will they admit their hapless, clueless niavety or will they finally go down as red hot fascists in the end?"

Loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality already happened under the Biden administration.

As for enforced child bearing... naivety is not realising the true horrors of what living in a TRA world might come to. It is worth doing almost anything to stop it - yes even voting for Trump.

Well transgenderism has taken me down some weird online wormholes over the last few years and if we end up having to choose between Project 2025 and Eugenic Transhumanism I'm rolling with the former. I'm not even sure I'm joking...

Of course, I can’t believe you have to ask. How else would the AGCL be able to signal their virtue?

Plans are afoot to have one’s front door daubed with a black cross too, but that’s subject to the procurement of sufficient quantities of paint to deal with the sheer number of heretics.

So much this.

So children can just be sacrificed until the point that someone left wing enough wakes up?

Fuck that shit.

Yeah, it’s just the usual badly-written lazy bilge full of silly, erroneous assumptions we’ve’ r come to expect from Serwotka. Advanced with all the usual mis-placed confidence and pomposity. She was always going to be one of the mob who are desperately falling over themselves to paint us as ‘far-right’. 🙄

Nothing to see here.

Does one of the AGCL follow ringing a bell and shouting Shame? They really should it would so add to the optics one really must put on a good show when one is mounting the high horse of self righteousness.

O Lord! We are going to end up like those young folx on YouTube who have to spend five minutes at the start of a video denouncing JKR and all her works and pomps before they get to show off their Harry Potter merch.

It used to be everything is transphobic it is now everything is fascist as the go to insult.

Tedious and ridiculous and shows a distinct lack of intelligence.

I believe there’s a mailing list for updates. Currently it’s the donning of a hair shirt, beating oneself in the street and reciting one’s gender critical crimes three times a day for a week, but requirements do change.