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The rest is politics - “The Taliban took over the country and it's much safer”

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HiggledyPiggledy33 · 28/01/2025 11:40

Just outraged at what I’ve just heard in the rest is politics.

They are discussing why aren’t we boycotting Afghanistan, and I can’t believe what Rory is saying.

“For the first time in over 20 years, you can travel safely through the country.”

Well maybe you can Rory, but I don’t think women can - is that fine? Throw half the population under the bus, as long as you’re OK.

“The Taliban have very repressive views on women, but they've also in other ways changed”
oh well that’s ok then.

“We're in a culture now where it really suits a lot of people, particularly on the far right, to emphasise Muslim countries where women are not treated correctly”
Women not being treated correctly is the problem. Once that’s sorted, let’s look at any sensitivity about muslims.

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Lalgarh · 01/02/2025 09:42

Quote from Another Talk Board (just the talk) about Stewart from user "basil seal":

"I know a couple of people who worked with Stewart at the FO, their assessment was that he was difficult to work with, prone to eccentric behaviour like breaking off in the middle of a meeting with staff to do push ups, and flying into rages where he threw chairs around his office, but, "at least he understood the brief".

Understanding your job is perhaps a low bar for a minister of state, but i guess that's just where we are now."

Petraquo · 01/02/2025 09:42

RoyalCorgi · 01/02/2025 09:12

Not sure why the ratio or comments are important. The fact that a lot of people think something doesn't make them right.

It was thrashed out in the digital town square and Vance was the victor making Stewart look ridiculous.

RoyalCorgi · 01/02/2025 09:12

Petraquo · 01/02/2025 07:04

Did you see the ratio and comments on X, Stewart got made to look like a fool.

Not sure why the ratio or comments are important. The fact that a lot of people think something doesn't make them right.

illinivich · 01/02/2025 08:59

Rory is an anywhere and doesnt understanding the concept of loving the deplorables in his own country over anyone in the world.

This is why we have lots of the social problems across the west we have today.

The problem isnt that rory is the smartest person in the room, its that he more than likely thinks exactly the same as everyone he finds himself in a room with.

BezMills · 01/02/2025 07:35

I think Rory falls into a common trap that many do, and I'm far from immune to it. He spent a lot of time being the smart person in the room, and then starts to think he's the smart person in any room.

I'd put him in the area "Top Ten Thoughtful Tory" and it is almost damning with faint praise rather than an accolade

I thought the comment above "living embodiment of Dunning Krueger" was harsh but mostly fair.

Petraquo · 01/02/2025 07:04

DworkinWasRight · 31/01/2025 20:14

Except in this instance, Rory was absolutely right and Vance was wrong.

Did you see the ratio and comments on X, Stewart got made to look like a fool.

DworkinWasRight · 31/01/2025 20:14

Petraquo · 31/01/2025 09:09

It was glorious to watch JD Vance tear Stewart the woman hater a new one, I'm very impressed by the incoming government and their commitment to women's rights.

Except in this instance, Rory was absolutely right and Vance was wrong.

Lalgarh · 31/01/2025 18:16

Petraquo · 31/01/2025 09:09

It was glorious to watch JD Vance tear Stewart the woman hater a new one, I'm very impressed by the incoming government and their commitment to women's rights.

👀

Sausagenbacon · 31/01/2025 18:04

in today's Spectator, JD Vance talking about RS
I’ve said before and I’ll say it again: the problem with Rory and people like him is that he has an IQ of 110 and thinks he has an IQ of 130. This false arrogance drives so much elite failure over the last 40 years.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 31/01/2025 09:17

teawamutu · 30/01/2025 17:19

AC makes a big deal of 'listening to the women in his life', which basically means he's getting bien pensant luxury beliefs from his lefty partner and omnicause-espousing, unfunny comedian of a daughter.

No other women need apply. Or indeed count.

Ironically the whole 'I only see the women who are my property' mindset is very 'right wing' according to most. So I guess on this at least AC is right wing!

Petraquo · 31/01/2025 09:09

AzurePanda · 31/01/2025 08:38

I see RS has had a little spat with JD Vance, Vance has accused him of having an IQ of 110 while imagining he has an IQ of 130. Most enjoyable.

It was glorious to watch JD Vance tear Stewart the woman hater a new one, I'm very impressed by the incoming government and their commitment to women's rights.

teawamutu · 31/01/2025 09:06

Lottapianos · 31/01/2025 08:47

Oh good god. These men are such sad little willy-wavers 🙄

I read Vance's book and it's genuinely excellent. Very hard to reconcile Veep Vance with the author.

Lottapianos · 31/01/2025 08:47

AzurePanda · 31/01/2025 08:38

I see RS has had a little spat with JD Vance, Vance has accused him of having an IQ of 110 while imagining he has an IQ of 130. Most enjoyable.

Oh good god. These men are such sad little willy-wavers 🙄

AzurePanda · 31/01/2025 08:38

I see RS has had a little spat with JD Vance, Vance has accused him of having an IQ of 110 while imagining he has an IQ of 130. Most enjoyable.

AzurePanda · 30/01/2025 18:09

@SmudgeHughes totally agree with you, AC seems
terrified that his daughter might think he’s “uncool”.

teawamutu · 30/01/2025 17:34

SmudgeHughes · 30/01/2025 17:25

@teawamutu But Kattie Kay does make annoying and ignorant references to gender identity theory, influenced, I suspect, by her children.

Really? I've not caught those - all I really picked up was her pointedly not disagreeing with the Mooch when he denounced it.

SmudgeHughes · 30/01/2025 17:25

@teawamutu But Kattie Kay does make annoying and ignorant references to gender identity theory, influenced, I suspect, by her children.

SmudgeHughes · 30/01/2025 17:20

@HermioneWeasley I think that Alastair’s wife and daughter play a huge role in his life and thinking (which I like), but on some issues he simply hasn’t considered that they might in fact be wrong.

teawamutu · 30/01/2025 17:19

SmudgeHughes · 30/01/2025 16:56

@HiggledyPiggledy33 I heard that and was absolutely shocked. Usually I’d tweet at them and tell them what I thought but I’ve given up on that one, tbh. They are two chaps talking, often very knowledgeably, about world politics but they simply don’t get women’s issues. Or they don’t rank very high for them.

When asked about their ‘parents’ some time ago, they both launched into descriptions of their fathers and the effects they’d had on them. I don’t know about AC’s mum but Rory’s is a personality in her own right, astonishing woman.

Having said that, I think they are trying to address women’s issues slightly more, Alastair particularly. I don’t know if Fiona has been having a go, or whether the Rest Is team has been seeing too much criticism of them on women.

They are of course unrepentantly ignorant of the effect of gender identity theory on women’s rights. I’ll never forget Rory’s excitement at travelling in a light aircraft in the US with Dylan Mulvaney.

They are also struggling to understand that one of the Democrats’ problems was their enthusiastic embrace of identity politics.

AC makes a big deal of 'listening to the women in his life', which basically means he's getting bien pensant luxury beliefs from his lefty partner and omnicause-espousing, unfunny comedian of a daughter.

No other women need apply. Or indeed count.

OldCrone · 30/01/2025 17:06

EdithStourton · 30/01/2025 14:44

Well, yeah, you'd think.
It's not computing yet for RS, I suspect one day it will.

What makes you think that? It's not like he's a teenager. He's 52. Is it common for men of that age to suddenly recognise that women are human when they've spent their whole life behaving as though women are some sort of inferior sub-species?

SmudgeHughes · 30/01/2025 17:03

@OldCrone we know also that they both read extensively. Why haven’t either of them bothered to read Kathleen Stock, say, or Helen Joyce. They would learn so much in just a few hours.

Greyskybluesky · 30/01/2025 16:59

I’ll never forget Rory’s excitement at travelling in a light aircraft in the US with Dylan Mulvaney.

Whut? The miniscule drop of patience I had left for listening to RS has just evaporated completely.

SmudgeHughes · 30/01/2025 16:56

@HiggledyPiggledy33 I heard that and was absolutely shocked. Usually I’d tweet at them and tell them what I thought but I’ve given up on that one, tbh. They are two chaps talking, often very knowledgeably, about world politics but they simply don’t get women’s issues. Or they don’t rank very high for them.

When asked about their ‘parents’ some time ago, they both launched into descriptions of their fathers and the effects they’d had on them. I don’t know about AC’s mum but Rory’s is a personality in her own right, astonishing woman.

Having said that, I think they are trying to address women’s issues slightly more, Alastair particularly. I don’t know if Fiona has been having a go, or whether the Rest Is team has been seeing too much criticism of them on women.

They are of course unrepentantly ignorant of the effect of gender identity theory on women’s rights. I’ll never forget Rory’s excitement at travelling in a light aircraft in the US with Dylan Mulvaney.

They are also struggling to understand that one of the Democrats’ problems was their enthusiastic embrace of identity politics.

EdithStourton · 30/01/2025 14:44

AzurePanda · 29/01/2025 19:57

@EdithStourton I just can’t understand how you can set yourself up as an expert on Afghanistan and not stop to think about the plight of women there. I suspect if you stopped random people in the street and asked what they knew about Afghanistan, a healthy number would cite the shocking treatment of women as the first thing that came to mind.

Well, yeah, you'd think.
It's not computing yet for RS, I suspect one day it will.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/01/2025 14:24

Fucking hell.