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Teen declared they were trans and now says they can't be in contact with us

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crochetedcat · 22/01/2025 09:00

As the title says really, I'll try to keep this brief but obviously it's complicated.

DS went to university and within a few weeks of being there declared he was now trans and had a new name. We were all rather confused as this seemed out of the blue at 18. He is autistic but seemed happy and doing well, good course, plans for the future etc. I've kept using 'he' here for clarity.

We decided to jointly take the approach to be supportive and to focus on everything else, didn't question it, carried on as usual. I was very aware that challenging it would not go down well, especially when at uni with potentially lots of people saying how awful we were for asking any questions at all. So we decided to take the 'thanks for telling us dear, that's great, how's uni going' approach.

Tbh there was very little change apart from when they came home for a visit in November they were wearing a bit of make up and had made changes to voice and mannerisms. This was difficult to deal with as it felt like the concept of being female was being stereotyped but again, we didn't react and continued to support. He happily went back off to uni after a few days of seeing family etc.

Christmas was the same. He came home for a week but was fairly distant. But we continued being positive and asking about course, friends etc etc - everything you would usually do. No one questioned anything and just rolled with it. The key point here is we have all been as accepting as possible, no one has said anything even vaguely negative, lots of enthusiasm about uni and life more broadly.

Then early in the New Year, we got a message that we were all clearly embarrassed by him and there would be no more contact ever again. It felt ludicrous tbh. The day before we'd been chatting on WhatsApp about his course and something I'd been reading. I responded asking where this had come from, that we weren't embarrassed and would support him in whatever. He said ok and asked about the dog as she'd needed to go to the vet. A completely unemotional reaction really to having just declared he'd never see his family again.

However I haven't heard from him since. He ignores all messages including asking him if he's ok. This was nearly 3 weeks ago. He's not great at responding to messages but would usually do so in a day or two even if just an emoji.

I am guessing the accusations that we are unsupportive are about his anxieties. Or wanting the drama of no one supporting him. It feels very similar to 'the script' of the cheating husband where history is rewritten to fit the narrative.

I also assume the wanting to cut contact is due to him feeling uncomfortable in his 'old life' because it's confronting and now his new normal where probably everyone is effusive.

I would bet money on new friends / the internet driving this.

But it feels so unreal and I don't know what to do next. Is it serious? Is he just never going to have contact with us again? Do I just remain supportive and sending him photos of the dog and articles I see about climate science and including him on the family groups, he hasn't left those yet?

I'm of course angry that someone could just send a message like that to his mother with no feeling. And upset. And scared etc etc

And then there's the minor fact I'm financially supporting him through university. I'm paying for the phone contract for the phone he used to tell me he was never going to see me again. Is he assuming I'll carry on sending him £700 a month to cover his uni halls costs whilst he declares he's estranged?! It feels like a younger teen yelling that they hate you and then asking what's for dinner and can they have a lift to town.

At a loss really and not sure where to go from here to have the most sensible outcome.

Thank you.

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crochetedcat · 24/01/2025 13:35

Foxgloverr · 24/01/2025 12:55

You sound like an amazing Mum and I think you're doing all the right things. I suspect his wish to have low contact is that he can't square in his mind the new identity he's created for himself at university with the person he's always known himself to be at home with you.

That cognitive dissonance is really painful and so he is trying to distance himself from his old life and pretend it didn't exist. Probably encouraged by the cult of GI.

I really hope that he will work it all out for himself. I suspect the pull of being the member of an "in group" at uni and being celebrated and told how amazing he is for being "trans" is really strong for him, especially so new into university life.

I suspect there is a big part of him that "knows" he is still the boy he always was and it's uncomfortable when he comes home to slot so easily back into being that boy.

Maintaining a pretence is much easier when you can distance yourself from reality. That's what he's doing by not wanting contact.

I think you’re sadly spot on

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crochetedcat · 24/01/2025 13:34

dollybird · 24/01/2025 13:31

This. My daughter (actual DD) would rather die than be taken clothes shopping or to buy make up.

Well quite. And why assume I wear makeup or am any good at it.

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crochetedcat · 24/01/2025 13:33

fashionqueen0123 · 24/01/2025 12:50

That’s awful. Why won’t he speak to his grandmother? I would have let him have it. I do not think that being trans is an excuse to be rude.

He is ignoring all of us - his parents, sibling and grandparents who have all recently sent messages in various forms or called. Only his father and I have been told he no longer wanted contact. In a way it makes me feel less alone because he’s universally refusing contact with any of us and shows how unfair his behaviour is.

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dollybird · 24/01/2025 13:31

Szygy · 23/01/2025 12:54

offer to take him shopping for new clothes and offer help with makeup etc.

And again with this 🙄

What next - a girly spa day and a lovely pillow-fight while wearing shortie nighties? Women are not a bingo-card of reductive stereotypes. Give me strength.

This. My daughter (actual DD) would rather die than be taken clothes shopping or to buy make up.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 24/01/2025 13:24

You got him to 18 year old. You protected him and supported him with all his challenges. He is now in University because of your love and support. He is lucky to have you as his mother. Whatever he decides to do is up to him he's an adult. He needs to get over not having to ask permission anymore. You love him anyway regardless.

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2025 13:09

crochetedcat · 24/01/2025 12:34

Thank you - this reflects how I feel. We’ve told him we love him, continued to accept him, told him he can be whoever he wants. We’ve continued including him in everything. Even my parents who are in their 80s, really really confused by it and worried sick haven’t said anything questionable or critical.

We continue to send chatty messages, dog photos and include him.

I have spent considerable money financing his choices to go to this university in an expensive part of the country.

We do all of this because we love him and see it as our responsibility as parents (the money part).

I also do not believe we have done anything wrong. In any other situation if a child acted like this in response to how we’ve behaved no one would question whether we’d done enough.

Yes he’s an adult but right now it feels like he’s being cruel. He won’t speak to anyone including my mother who is unwell and may not be with us that much longer. It feels like manipulation and punishment. Our door will always be open but as an adult who can make choices he also needs to realise that these have consequences for others. I need to protect all our mental health too.

I need to protect all our mental health too.

The message I repeat on this thread is always that you matter too. Your own sense of identity matters (identity is also relational, so when you communicate with others things like 'being a mother to a son' rather than a daughter matter. It's YOUR lived experience. This doesn't suddenly change or devalue because he says so). You own mental health matters. You don't deserve to be held hostage to a believe, regardless of whether you share it or not.

I think that you can become prisoners of this and become scared to express your own feelings. Especially since you get berated by people saying you must have done something wrong or you haven't done enough. It's taboo and off limits to say 'I feel my son's demands have become abusive or manipulative'. That's really not ok.

We should be having an open conversation about this and the impact on multiple members of a family. Not just the trans person.

Perhaps if it was discussed it would remove some of the worse elements of behaviour because these children would have to be more accountable for their own behaviour rather being framed as helpless passive victims of nature and society.

It would remove power from those seeking to alienate children from their parents.

This needs for give and take needs to be seen and heard.

Not2identifying · 24/01/2025 12:57

Refusing to speak to a grandmother (he has presumably got on okay with up until now?) who has not said anything critical or unsupportive is more indicative of a general mental health crisis rather than all this trans stuff which could serve as a distraction. Perhaps he's just very, very low. I'd be more and more inclined to report this to the university wellbeing service and say that he is acting out of character and may be at risk.

Foxgloverr · 24/01/2025 12:55

You sound like an amazing Mum and I think you're doing all the right things. I suspect his wish to have low contact is that he can't square in his mind the new identity he's created for himself at university with the person he's always known himself to be at home with you.

That cognitive dissonance is really painful and so he is trying to distance himself from his old life and pretend it didn't exist. Probably encouraged by the cult of GI.

I really hope that he will work it all out for himself. I suspect the pull of being the member of an "in group" at uni and being celebrated and told how amazing he is for being "trans" is really strong for him, especially so new into university life.

I suspect there is a big part of him that "knows" he is still the boy he always was and it's uncomfortable when he comes home to slot so easily back into being that boy.

Maintaining a pretence is much easier when you can distance yourself from reality. That's what he's doing by not wanting contact.

fashionqueen0123 · 24/01/2025 12:50

crochetedcat · 24/01/2025 12:34

Thank you - this reflects how I feel. We’ve told him we love him, continued to accept him, told him he can be whoever he wants. We’ve continued including him in everything. Even my parents who are in their 80s, really really confused by it and worried sick haven’t said anything questionable or critical.

We continue to send chatty messages, dog photos and include him.

I have spent considerable money financing his choices to go to this university in an expensive part of the country.

We do all of this because we love him and see it as our responsibility as parents (the money part).

I also do not believe we have done anything wrong. In any other situation if a child acted like this in response to how we’ve behaved no one would question whether we’d done enough.

Yes he’s an adult but right now it feels like he’s being cruel. He won’t speak to anyone including my mother who is unwell and may not be with us that much longer. It feels like manipulation and punishment. Our door will always be open but as an adult who can make choices he also needs to realise that these have consequences for others. I need to protect all our mental health too.

That’s awful. Why won’t he speak to his grandmother? I would have let him have it. I do not think that being trans is an excuse to be rude.

NDSceptic · 24/01/2025 12:48

crochetedcat · 24/01/2025 12:34

Thank you - this reflects how I feel. We’ve told him we love him, continued to accept him, told him he can be whoever he wants. We’ve continued including him in everything. Even my parents who are in their 80s, really really confused by it and worried sick haven’t said anything questionable or critical.

We continue to send chatty messages, dog photos and include him.

I have spent considerable money financing his choices to go to this university in an expensive part of the country.

We do all of this because we love him and see it as our responsibility as parents (the money part).

I also do not believe we have done anything wrong. In any other situation if a child acted like this in response to how we’ve behaved no one would question whether we’d done enough.

Yes he’s an adult but right now it feels like he’s being cruel. He won’t speak to anyone including my mother who is unwell and may not be with us that much longer. It feels like manipulation and punishment. Our door will always be open but as an adult who can make choices he also needs to realise that these have consequences for others. I need to protect all our mental health too.

It feels cruel because it is. He is being abusive to you.

Sortumn · 24/01/2025 12:46

*If a male says they are female, then if I am to treat people without prejudice then I don't go round pandering to stereotypes. I don't go applauding them for their 'courage'. I just say 'and?'. If there is an expectation of more than that says more about the need for validation and their insecurities than it does about my values or judgement.
The whole 'but you are not doing it right' thing is problematic. There is no right way or wrong way to handle things. Families are much more complex and dynamic than that. *

Before I thought properly about any of this I made a male aquaintance who wanted to be a woman. For his birthday I bought him lip gloss and some other things, naively thinking I was showing my support and acceptance.

I'll never forget hearing the term 'transwomen are women' on the radio for the first time and realising if I'd really seen that person as a woman I wouldn't have tried to demonstrate my solidarity through choice of gift. I'd have gotten him a bottle of wine or some chocolates like I might all my other female friends. It was trying to square all this that made me go hang on a minute.......

SunnieShine · 24/01/2025 12:38

Let him stew in his own juice, he'll be back soon enough.

crochetedcat · 24/01/2025 12:34

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 24/01/2025 10:24

From my perspective, and in my situation, there is a coercive underpinning of all that is happening. I believe that my son and his partner are attempting to control us. We (my DW and I) have independently tried to make it clear that we do not accept coercion. If a continued relationship with our DS is dependent on doing as we are told, what sort of relationship is that? I miss my son hugely, and it is very painful remembering every day that our relationship is messed up, but we are not props for our sons "identity" and our integrity and mental health are also of some importance. If I have a breakdown over this, I am no use to anyone, including him.

Thank you - this reflects how I feel. We’ve told him we love him, continued to accept him, told him he can be whoever he wants. We’ve continued including him in everything. Even my parents who are in their 80s, really really confused by it and worried sick haven’t said anything questionable or critical.

We continue to send chatty messages, dog photos and include him.

I have spent considerable money financing his choices to go to this university in an expensive part of the country.

We do all of this because we love him and see it as our responsibility as parents (the money part).

I also do not believe we have done anything wrong. In any other situation if a child acted like this in response to how we’ve behaved no one would question whether we’d done enough.

Yes he’s an adult but right now it feels like he’s being cruel. He won’t speak to anyone including my mother who is unwell and may not be with us that much longer. It feels like manipulation and punishment. Our door will always be open but as an adult who can make choices he also needs to realise that these have consequences for others. I need to protect all our mental health too.

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Travelodge · 24/01/2025 12:32

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 24/01/2025 09:58

Utter nonsense from start to finish (well, maybe I could find a grain of truth somewhere in it).

Are you sure? I don’t think I can see even a grain of truth.

BonfireLady · 24/01/2025 12:28

EnjoythemoneyJane · 22/01/2025 12:06

Sorry I don’t have time now to RTFT, but wanted to respond quickly to this bit of your OP -

Or wanting the drama of no one supporting him.

IME there is a great deal of this surrounding any trans narrative. My late teens DD announced she was non-binary a couple of years ago but is now veering towards male presentation and I think we’ll be in the same situation as you after she leaves for uni (not the no contact, hopefully, but certainly the “I’m now a man” announcement).

Teenagers are obviously prone to drama for drama’s sake (the nonsense and ghosting and beef and gossip feels neverending), but there’s a particular outpouring of RL and online support for those who can boast a traumatic or high octane ‘coming out’ story. It’s very easy to whip up a deluge of attention and vicarious outrage for those who have ‘unsupportive’ families.

I’ve been totally baffled by my DD’s representations of conversations we’ve had, and there’s a lot of therapy speak and terms like ‘journey’ thrown around - it’s almost like she’s actively trying to give anything we say or do a negative spin in order to have a better story to tell. She’s definitely egged on in this by some of her social circle, but it’s not representative of our relationship at all.

A good friend of mine has a gay son of a similar age. His sexuality was honestly fairly obvious for some years, but following his coming out I was astonished to hear through a third party the tales he’d been telling at school about how terrible his family’s reactions were, how he felt ostracised and alone, when I know for sure he’s had nothing but support and acceptance.

We live in an attention economy. These kids have known nothing else, and SM has only worsened and heightened normal teenage drama, rebelliousness and indignation - especially amongst emotionally immature teens.

I hope your situation resolves happily for all of you, and I’d hold out hope that the whole no contact thing is just a knee jerk bit of attention-seeking. I wouldn’t cut him off financially straight away, but I’d make it clear that you’re considering that option (ask why he thinks you should support an adult who no longer wishes to have a relationship with you) and encourage him to have a proper conversation with you about what he thinks the future will look like for you as a family.

Either way, you have my sympathy - grappling with this stuff is utterly exhausting, endlessly worrying and just … shit.

This is a great perspective to share.

💐 to you and your daughter.

Unconditional love is something I never fully understood (clearly I felt it, but I just wasn't aware I did) until I realised that I can be simultaneously exasperated, hurt and confused by my child whilst also never letting go of that love. Feeling despair, confusion, self doubt about my own parenting prior to my daughter's autism diagnosis was probably the start of my understanding. During her mental health crisis (age 13) she was violent at home. Most of it was directed towards me. I've never experienced violence in a home before so the learning curve was steep. It impacts everyone in a household, with other children being at additional risk of physical and mental harm. In my case my love for my daughter was tested (obviously!) but never waivered. A child declaring "no contact" is throwing an emotional bomb into family life. It's "emotional violence", for want of a better phrase. (not to be confused of course with the misnomer "literal violence" that apparently describes anyone who doesn't agree to a coerced belief that we all have a gender identity).

ThatRareUmberJoker · 24/01/2025 12:22

Yalta · 24/01/2025 12:04

He issued the boundaries, but I don’t think he understands the meaning of the word.

Good point!
I was watching another video and it was a transman talking about RODG. He/she believes it's not real, and they went on to say after a person has gone through treatment, and they regret it then transitioning is not right for them. The person who is detransitioning has done life changing things to themselves. Yet, it's not a mental illness.

Here's another video about a young woman who transitioned from FtM and then changed her mind. The treatment she had can't be reversed it's heartbreaking.

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Yalta · 24/01/2025 12:04

ThatRareUmberJoker · 23/01/2025 11:41

I listened briefly to a YouTube video, and a mother who is going through the same thing with her adult son. It was interesting and worth a listen. Your son knows you and your husband doesn't fully accept what he's doing. He gave you boundaries and told you this is who I am and I have a new name. You call him sweetie and lovely, so you can avoid calling him his new name, and your husband still calls him his birth name. Your son knows your feelings and you're embarrassed to communicate properly with your son. How do you really feel?

What if this isn't a fad and it's who he is. You have to work out as his parents what kind of relationship you want with him. You need to get to know who your child is now. You don't know your child and you need to get to know him/her. Whatever fantasy you had in your head about the future park it.

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He issued the boundaries, but I don’t think he understands the meaning of the word.

NotAtMyAge · 24/01/2025 11:56

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2025 07:09

The demand for us to die really is the cherry on the top of the icing isn't it?

Be kind or die.

It's not exactly very nice is it? It's pretty demanding and manipulative.

Imagine where your head is at to type that? It's into pure brainwashed extremist terrority. It's not normal and it's not healthy communication.

Why they think anyone here is going to listen to a word of what they have said when they end their post like that is beyond me.

Exactly. The refusal to acknowledge that so many of those statements have been debunked and instead to insist that the rest of us accept them or else. 🙄

Yalta · 24/01/2025 11:48

My issue with this is if gender dysphoria is a mental health issue why are the NHS funding surgery that isn’t on the brain.

SereneCapybara · 24/01/2025 11:48

PhilomenaPunk · 22/01/2025 10:40

"Honestly, I'd play along to keep him close while he is exploring this new aspect of his identity. Send him a big cake and say that you love him exactly as he is and he has a right to his own identity - he is an adult. That you hope he will not cut you off to the extent of refusing your financial support as you want to be sure he is well provided for and if and when he feels ready to get back in touch, you welcome him with open arms. Use his new name and pronouns throughout. Just keep the communication open for now."

@SereneCapybara so basically pander to him? Terrible advice. If he wants to start making adult decisions then he needs to deal with adult consequences.

No, though I can see it looks like pandering. I think you are missing the point that he is autistic, or you don't understand how differently a parent must operate to engage with an autistic child.

It's a long game, trying to help an autistic young adult, who is so out of sorts in the world, understand that they cannot actually change sex and even if they do, life won't necessarily be any easier for them.

And, if he happens to be one of the few people who genuinely does feel more at peace living as what they perceive to be the opposite sex, then - well if that were my child I would choose to love and accept them rather than reject them and be cut off or live in endless lengthy battles, if those are the only options they offer.

You can't play that long game if you're not it, but if you are, you continue to offer love, support and the opportunity for a child to change their mind or grow out of an ideology without ridicule or criticism. You can't keep lines of communication open with an autistic young adult by laying down the law. That just isn't how it works. So the crucial thing is not to give any sign that you are the devilish, phobic parents who deserve to be cut off. That would be playing into the hands of his current belief about them. Cutting off his money, refusing to engage with him will not end well.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 24/01/2025 11:31

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2025 11:10

You know precisely nothing.

I know my mum did everything as dictated.

Still wasn't enough. The problem is precisely the point that you can change sex and your family represent the past you are trying to run away from.

I find it quite remarkable reading through these threads which have become much more common in the last couple of years as parents and siblings start to come out of the shadows and tell their side of the alienation and of how they did everything they could but were met with threats, demands and otherwise coercive patterns of behaviour.

These threads have such common features too. If this was a spontaneous naturally occurring phenomenon why would so many people who come out as trans have EXACTLY the same interests??? The most common by far is anime and gaming who have very particular unique cultures of their own. This is not consistent with a spontaneous occurrence - you'd have lots of trans people who had a very broad set of interests, perhaps some things more common than others, but a much wider base than is demonstrated. There's something happening in those cultural bubbles that's not happening outside of them.

I have picked my way through this over the years by not looking at identity but by looking at behaviour. If I was subject to behaviour that I would not tolerate in other circumstances than I should not tolerate it due to the identity of the person doing it. Being trans isn't an excuse for some of the common behaviours that seem to go hand in hand with the movement. Demands, threats and unreasonable expectations definitely fall into this category. That includes coercive behaviour around the subject of suicide.

If a male says they are female, then if I am to treat people without prejudice then I don't go round pandering to stereotypes. I don't go applauding them for their 'courage'. I just say 'and?'. If there is an expectation of more than that says more about the need for validation and their insecurities than it does about my values or judgement.

The whole 'but you are not doing it right' thing is problematic. There is no right way or wrong way to handle things. Families are much more complex and dynamic than that. There's years of previous history with the nature of multiple relationships with them. Stuff that might seem irrelevant but actually is. The sister who has suffered from significant sexual harassment isn't going to necessarily be cheering on a brother who dresses in a way that verges on anime porn now are they? For various valid reasons. Neither is the mother who gave birth to her son, had years of gynaecological problems as a result, breast feed their son and then is told 'sex is old fashioned and irrelevant and if you don't stop saying it I'll cut you off and kill myself you bigot'. There's a massive level of disrespect in there which, quite rightly should be confronted and dealt with.

I'm sorry, but healthy relationship are two way and there is a desire to understand the position of the other party too. Respect can not be one directional.

Especially if we are also told there isn't a mental health element to this and we just have to accept it no matter what else is accompanying the identity.

Trans is not a license to shit on everyone else. It has become that because we have been taught that when someone comes out, we are not permitted to ask questions and we certainly are not allowed to challenge poor behaviour.

And that's why I take issue with the 'well you should just do what they say' crowd.

It's not ok. We should not be handing out a free pass for this. We should be concerned about the deliberate alienation culture. We should be questioning the motives of people around people telling vulnerable adults their family are all bigots. We should be making the point that the accusations from trans people are not matching with the experiences of their family. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

This one sided storytelling is just more fantasy to shield from reality and it's got to stop. It's hurting so many people - families and trans people alike.

Brava RedToothbrush Brava. 👏👏👏

Sandwichgen · 24/01/2025 11:19

For what it’s worth, my autistic DS made a ‘false start’ at uni: he was bitterly unhappy, but it was very difficult to get at how he was feeling, because of the distance involved and his disinclination to talk about feelings, etc. Covid saved him - he came home to study online. For his Masters he chose a uni he could go
into daily from home and did really well. He also came out of himself a lot more and has become better able to deal with people. It seems that he needed that ‘earthing’ of being able to retreat to his safe space at night to give him the courage / energy to make these steps.

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2025 11:10

Bobbymoore123 · 24/01/2025 09:59

OP if you took just one step back and started putting the pieces together you could repair, by tomorrow, your evidently broken relationship with your adult child.
Taking the route suggested by the typical posters of this forum will only worsen the dysfunction caused by whatever has gone unnoticed.
You cannot control this person and if you wish to have a relationship with them it must be with their consent, anything else and they will just push you further away in the long term regardless of whether you think they're making a mistake or not, please do the responsible and adult thing.

You know precisely nothing.

I know my mum did everything as dictated.

Still wasn't enough. The problem is precisely the point that you can change sex and your family represent the past you are trying to run away from.

I find it quite remarkable reading through these threads which have become much more common in the last couple of years as parents and siblings start to come out of the shadows and tell their side of the alienation and of how they did everything they could but were met with threats, demands and otherwise coercive patterns of behaviour.

These threads have such common features too. If this was a spontaneous naturally occurring phenomenon why would so many people who come out as trans have EXACTLY the same interests??? The most common by far is anime and gaming who have very particular unique cultures of their own. This is not consistent with a spontaneous occurrence - you'd have lots of trans people who had a very broad set of interests, perhaps some things more common than others, but a much wider base than is demonstrated. There's something happening in those cultural bubbles that's not happening outside of them.

I have picked my way through this over the years by not looking at identity but by looking at behaviour. If I was subject to behaviour that I would not tolerate in other circumstances than I should not tolerate it due to the identity of the person doing it. Being trans isn't an excuse for some of the common behaviours that seem to go hand in hand with the movement. Demands, threats and unreasonable expectations definitely fall into this category. That includes coercive behaviour around the subject of suicide.

If a male says they are female, then if I am to treat people without prejudice then I don't go round pandering to stereotypes. I don't go applauding them for their 'courage'. I just say 'and?'. If there is an expectation of more than that says more about the need for validation and their insecurities than it does about my values or judgement.

The whole 'but you are not doing it right' thing is problematic. There is no right way or wrong way to handle things. Families are much more complex and dynamic than that. There's years of previous history with the nature of multiple relationships with them. Stuff that might seem irrelevant but actually is. The sister who has suffered from significant sexual harassment isn't going to necessarily be cheering on a brother who dresses in a way that verges on anime porn now are they? For various valid reasons. Neither is the mother who gave birth to her son, had years of gynaecological problems as a result, breast feed their son and then is told 'sex is old fashioned and irrelevant and if you don't stop saying it I'll cut you off and kill myself you bigot'. There's a massive level of disrespect in there which, quite rightly should be confronted and dealt with.

I'm sorry, but healthy relationship are two way and there is a desire to understand the position of the other party too. Respect can not be one directional.

Especially if we are also told there isn't a mental health element to this and we just have to accept it no matter what else is accompanying the identity.

Trans is not a license to shit on everyone else. It has become that because we have been taught that when someone comes out, we are not permitted to ask questions and we certainly are not allowed to challenge poor behaviour.

And that's why I take issue with the 'well you should just do what they say' crowd.

It's not ok. We should not be handing out a free pass for this. We should be concerned about the deliberate alienation culture. We should be questioning the motives of people around people telling vulnerable adults their family are all bigots. We should be making the point that the accusations from trans people are not matching with the experiences of their family. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

This one sided storytelling is just more fantasy to shield from reality and it's got to stop. It's hurting so many people - families and trans people alike.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 24/01/2025 11:09

Bobbymoore123 · 24/01/2025 09:59

OP if you took just one step back and started putting the pieces together you could repair, by tomorrow, your evidently broken relationship with your adult child.
Taking the route suggested by the typical posters of this forum will only worsen the dysfunction caused by whatever has gone unnoticed.
You cannot control this person and if you wish to have a relationship with them it must be with their consent, anything else and they will just push you further away in the long term regardless of whether you think they're making a mistake or not, please do the responsible and adult thing.

Op is being adult about it. Her adult child can not control and manipulate the op and her feelings. If he wants to go no contact he can't then expect mummy to continue funding him. The op is continuing to fund him but he wants more. If it was me I would tell him to get on with his life and find a job like every other student. Young people today are entitled.