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borntobequiet · 27/11/2024 08:21

I never thought I’d spend my declining years complaining to the BBC about the factual inaccuracy of their reporting on so many women’s issues, but they say having a hobby keeps your mind sharp.
Sharper than theirs, anyway.

Azerothi · 27/11/2024 08:14

itsbiblical · 27/11/2024 08:11

Has anyone put a bbc complaint in? I realise they won't do anything but I've still filled a form in.

I have and also cancelled my license.

itsbiblical · 27/11/2024 08:11

Has anyone put a bbc complaint in? I realise they won't do anything but I've still filled a form in.

storminabuttercup · 27/11/2024 08:07

BecauseRonald · 27/11/2024 07:55

@storminabuttercup I think the angle is that BB is a bona fide female and that the problem is that white feminists are not only terfy but also racist and regularly question African women's femininity because apparently African women don't fit into white feminists' ideas of what a woman looks like.

A deeply racist and misogynistic trope, and as such very popular with MRA and incely men.

Ah ok, so we're racist too.

This is why most of us are scared to say anything irl isn't it? Because no matter what we do we get accused.

BecauseRonald · 27/11/2024 07:55

@storminabuttercup I think the angle is that BB is a bona fide female and that the problem is that white feminists are not only terfy but also racist and regularly question African women's femininity because apparently African women don't fit into white feminists' ideas of what a woman looks like.

A deeply racist and misogynistic trope, and as such very popular with MRA and incely men.

storminabuttercup · 27/11/2024 07:45

Maybe I'm spectacularly missing the point, but I'm seeing the argument that if we think this person is a man we are transphobic, but if this person is a woman, was always a woman what's trans got to do with anything? I'm sick to death of all this nonsense. Have you seen this bloke tackle?

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 27/11/2024 07:42

duc748 · 26/11/2024 19:21

It'd be great to hear some of the Lionesses speak up on this.

Agree

LunaNorth · 27/11/2024 07:34

They have ‘bra’ in their name.

That’s near enough a woman for the BBC.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/11/2024 07:31

From what I’ve seen @PriOn1 there are a lot of men who think this is all hilarious

would they be the sort of men who would vote for BB in a free easily gamed online poll for shits and giggles - maybe

MyCatIsBeautiful · 27/11/2024 07:28

Ffs. Maybe people voted just to prove a point and put this in the public eye?

PriOn1 · 27/11/2024 07:11

I am slightly discouraged by the fact that this result depended on, what the BBC say was a public vote. If that’s the case, who was it that voted for Banda? Was it people who are ignorant of the situation and voted for the person they thought was best player, or was there a campaign in transactivist circles to vote?

I agree the BBC should never have shortlisted Bamda, but why would the public still vote for this result.

And it’s probably way too late already, but it’s wise in threads such as this to avoid pronouns and claims about sex or DSDs without proof. All that will happen is another thread will be pulled and any discussion that might have been helpful will disappear.

Azerothi · 27/11/2024 06:39

Although BBC wouldn't let me cancel my TV license online last night (have to phone of course) I will be today. I'm too old for this shit.

My 8 year old granddaughter loves football. What chance has she got when she sees this crap?

fromorbit · 26/11/2024 23:58

Don't get mad. GET EVEN. The BBC has to record and respond to mass complaints. The real story here is the worldwide attempt to make women's football a male sport. Note this is happening just as women's football starts making big money. Change the narrative. Women are losing their right to play sport.

Kick off NOW! Write a complaint. Get everyone else you know to do so as well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

Remember to link this to the FA's banning of women's football at grassroots level as we have seen in the case of the 17 year old banned for complaining. This is all the same thing.

Also write to your MP and the Minister for Sport Stephanie Peacock

https://members.parliament.uk/member/4607/contact

Stuart Andrew MP, Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4032/contact

JKR speaks for everyone in her link to Telegraph coverage.

J.K. Rowling

Presumably the BBC decided this was more time efficient than going door to door to spit directly in women's faces.
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Oliver Brown
Just extraordinary. BBC names player withdrawn from 2022 Women’s Africa Cup of Nations for failing to meet sex eligibility rules as Women’s Footballer of the Year

Zambian player was honoured by the corporation despite being withdrawn from Women’s Africa Cup of Nations for high testosterone levels
https://telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/11/26/barbra-banda-bbc-womens-footballer-of-the-year-testosterone/

Telegraph then updated the article with new headline.
JK Rowling accuses BBC of ‘spitting in women’s faces’ over Barbra Banda football award

Meanwhile in the Mail.

Joey Barton and Sharron Davies SLAM the BBC after Barbra Banda wins their Women's Footballer of the Year award, amid gender eligibility row

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/womens-football/article-14128345/Joey-Barton-Sharron-Davies-SLAM-BBC-Barba-Banda-wins-Womens-Footballer-Year-award-amid-gender-eligibility-row.html

There is a lot of coverage of this already. I suspect TAs mass voting to win the readers poll. However we can use this to strike back.

Barton and Davies lead outrage after Banda wins BBC award

Zambia and Orlando Pride striker Banda received the most votes from BBC Sport website readers after being included on a five-player shortlist.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/womens-football/article-14128345/Joey-Barton-Sharron-Davies-SLAM-BBC-Barba-Banda-wins-Womens-Footballer-Year-award-amid-gender-eligibility-row.html

maltravers · 26/11/2024 23:21

Current female (xx!) footballers won’t say anything because the “be kind” crew will eat them alive and try to ruin their careers (such is their kindness).

Lineker won’t want to tarnish his liberal image and spend the social capital, because it’s only women.

Hopefully women’s rage will eventually penetrate the thick skin of the FA (or more likely once other sports change they won’t want to end up an outlier). Infuriating levels of misogyny in liberal clothes.

BonfireLady · 26/11/2024 23:21

puffyisgood · 26/11/2024 21:53

Quite a few of the elite players in the NWSL are said to be DSD athlete, including Banda, the Chawingwa 'sisters', and Rachael Kundananji.

I don't think it's a coincidence that these current big hitters are in their early-mid 20s, they're in the right age category to have seen the writing on the wall in athletics following the Semenya rule and to have switched to soccer and I guess US women's soccer was one of the other potential careers open to them. I daresay Semenya might have been able to make the switch if she'd tried it 5-10 years ago.

I wonder if Banda [apparently a former pro boxer]'s switch to soccer had something to do with concerns that she in the future wouldn't be allowed to compete in boxing [if only she knew how 'inclusive' that sport would become down the line].

An older NWSL and also Zambia player Racheal Nachula [who missed an African Nations' football tournament following a reported gender test failure] ran the 400 metres in the 2008 Olympics and much later did 2020 Olympic soccer.

I'm not sure how many of the world's best best men's soccer players are converts from being professionals in another sport? - e.g. maybe Messi switched from trampolining or Ronaldo from bobsleigh...

Interesting.

It's certainly food for thought, given women's football is still happily accepting anyone's self-declared identity (in addition to males with DSDs).

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 26/11/2024 22:20

YesterdaysFuture · 26/11/2024 15:00

#HesAMan is trending on Twitter in regards to this story. So the backlash over the BBC is growing.

Gaining more traction than the original nomination.

Good. This is a man. Absolutely disgraceful, BBC. What example are you trying to set girls who are keen football players?

JulesJules · 26/11/2024 22:07

CriticalCondition · 26/11/2024 19:42

Alex Jay Kelski.
I looked him up..Gay man doesn't care about women's sports non shocker.

Has twins by a surrogate mother apparently, so turns out he does know what a woman is when it suits him.
As JKR says on twitter:
"Yep, femaleness is just post-modern performance art until they need an incubator."

puffyisgood · 26/11/2024 21:53

Quite a few of the elite players in the NWSL are said to be DSD athlete, including Banda, the Chawingwa 'sisters', and Rachael Kundananji.

I don't think it's a coincidence that these current big hitters are in their early-mid 20s, they're in the right age category to have seen the writing on the wall in athletics following the Semenya rule and to have switched to soccer and I guess US women's soccer was one of the other potential careers open to them. I daresay Semenya might have been able to make the switch if she'd tried it 5-10 years ago.

I wonder if Banda [apparently a former pro boxer]'s switch to soccer had something to do with concerns that she in the future wouldn't be allowed to compete in boxing [if only she knew how 'inclusive' that sport would become down the line].

An older NWSL and also Zambia player Racheal Nachula [who missed an African Nations' football tournament following a reported gender test failure] ran the 400 metres in the 2008 Olympics and much later did 2020 Olympic soccer.

I'm not sure how many of the world's best best men's soccer players are converts from being professionals in another sport? - e.g. maybe Messi switched from trampolining or Ronaldo from bobsleigh...

Slartibartslow · 26/11/2024 19:49

Fuck off.
That is 100% a man.
if he played against my women’s team I’d kick him in the balls.

CriticalCondition · 26/11/2024 19:42

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/11/2024 19:29

Casting my mind back, isn’t the new head of bbc sport TWAW?

Alex Jay Kelski.
I looked him up..Gay man doesn't care about women's sports non shocker.

duc748 · 26/11/2024 19:41

Be all that as it may, surely every team-mate and every opponent in that US league know perfectly well that they are playing with a man. And yet, nobody says anything.

AgnesVanRhijn · 26/11/2024 19:41

Any chance Lineker and his smug mates on The Rest is Football might cover this??? 🤔

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/11/2024 19:29

Casting my mind back, isn’t the new head of bbc sport TWAW?

duc748 · 26/11/2024 19:25

Snowypeaks · 26/11/2024 19:21

No chance at all, duc

🙁

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