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puffyisgood · 15/06/2025 08:46

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2025 00:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 13:54

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/femenino/20220704/1001831568/polemica-exclusion-crack-zambia-copa-africa.html

Varios periodistas locales explican que el motivo de su ausencia en la lista es consecuencia de los análisis de sangre, realizados por la CAF, que revelaron un nivel de testosterona demasiado alto y un "cuerpo varonil". "Sobre la ausencia de Barbra Banda en la competición no puedo darte los verdaderos motivos. Sería mejor que le preguntes a la CAF", indicaba el técnico zambiano, Bruce Mwape.

"Several local journalists explain that the reason for her absence from the list is due to a blood analysis, carried out by CAF, which revealed a too high level of testosterone and a "masculine body". About the absence of Barbra Banda from the competition, I can't give you the real reasons. It would be best if you ask CAF" indicated the Zambian coach. Bruce Mwape."

Bumping this post to add to the various threads about Barbra Banda.

Snowypeaks · 06/12/2024 11:44

That article is really good. Apologies for my overestimation of the risk of ACL injuries, duc. I got that number from a reputable source.

Some other possible culprits:

  1. Women footballers' bodies being less hardened by game play - fewer opportunities to play as they grow up
  2. Q angle affecting direction of force going through knee
  3. Relaxin hormone during menstrual cycle causing connective tissue to become too stretchy
  4. Quality of pitch

There are others - the ongoing study is wide-ranging and will take several years.

Snowypeaks · 06/12/2024 11:30

maltravers · 06/12/2024 11:25

I read somewhere that boots are designed for men’s feet and that’s part of the reason for increased acl injuries. Personally I have no idea if this is correct!

It's one of several possible causes that are being studied.

maltravers · 06/12/2024 11:25

I read somewhere that boots are designed for men’s feet and that’s part of the reason for increased acl injuries. Personally I have no idea if this is correct!

Helleofabore · 06/12/2024 11:16

Jeanhatchet · 06/12/2024 07:29

TwelveOFive will be going to BBC Manchester and Broadcasting House in London to protest and we will release details shortly. Anyone can join us. Please do.

Thanks Jean

puffyisgood · 06/12/2024 11:14

I think the issue is very poorly understood (strange, that, for a problem that disproportionately impacts women), other than it offers further watertight evidence of the many differences between male and female physiology.

Snowypeaks · 06/12/2024 10:53

Yeah. BIG problem.

duc748 · 06/12/2024 10:39

Wow!

Snowypeaks · 06/12/2024 10:32

duc748 · 06/12/2024 10:28

happens incomparably more often than at the equivalent men's level.

People keep saying this, but is it really true? People might get the impression from reading MN that ACL injuries in men were rare, but men suffer from ACL injuries in football and rugby all the time. I wouldn't argue that better boot design might help both men and women reduce injuries.

ACL injuries in women's football occur about 8 times more often than in men's football.

The reasons are being investigated, it's thought that physiological differences are part of the answer but far from the entire answer.

duc748 · 06/12/2024 10:28

happens incomparably more often than at the equivalent men's level.

People keep saying this, but is it really true? People might get the impression from reading MN that ACL injuries in men were rare, but men suffer from ACL injuries in football and rugby all the time. I wouldn't argue that better boot design might help both men and women reduce injuries.

lifeturnsonadime · 06/12/2024 09:38

Jeanhatchet · 06/12/2024 07:29

TwelveOFive will be going to BBC Manchester and Broadcasting House in London to protest and we will release details shortly. Anyone can join us. Please do.

Thanks where will the details be released?

puffyisgood · 06/12/2024 09:36

ArabellaScott · 05/12/2024 19:14

Maybe the strike.

Could be. They released #s 11 through 40 overnight.

No Banda yet, so I suppose a top 10 spot is in the bag. The two Chawingwa 'sisters' were given perhaps deliberately uncontroversial spots in the teen rankings.

The thing that really jumped out at me from the list is the ludicrously high number of top players who've suffered ACL ruptures. happens incomparably more often than at the equivalent men's level. It's almost as if male and female bodies were, well, different....

Jeanhatchet · 06/12/2024 07:29

TwelveOFive will be going to BBC Manchester and Broadcasting House in London to protest and we will release details shortly. Anyone can join us. Please do.

ArabellaScott · 05/12/2024 19:14

Maybe the strike.

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puffyisgood · 05/12/2024 18:42

Snowypeaks · 03/12/2024 13:59

The sad thing is, the Guardian list could contain male footballers without us knowing. Because male footballers are allowed to play in women's football by the authorities.

they seem to have put the feature on hiatus, has been a day or two with no continuation of the countdown?

Snowypeaks · 03/12/2024 13:59

The sad thing is, the Guardian list could contain male footballers without us knowing. Because male footballers are allowed to play in women's football by the authorities.

viques · 03/12/2024 13:55

@duc748 That didn’t stop the BBC online quiz page having him as one of their questions last week! Talk about salt in the wound, you can’t tell me that wasn’t deliberate.

puffyisgood · 03/12/2024 13:23

i wonder who'll win the guardian newspaper equivalent (I think voted for by journos rather than readers)?

www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/dec/03/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2024

duc748 · 03/12/2024 00:49

The BBC were surely perfectly well aware that BB, once on the short-list, would almost certainly be voted in. Still, the selection was nuffink to do with them.

Peregrina · 03/12/2024 00:10

That's a lazy response from the BBC. I would have thought that since there were doubts and "conflcting reports" then that person should not have been eligible.

They might just as well scrap the sportswoman of the year contest if it's going to be filled with men with DSDs and transwomen who are men.

duc748 · 02/12/2024 19:28

And actually, why default to 'she', anyway? The BBC may say, rightly, that there's no solid proof in the public area that BB is a bloke. Likewise, there's equally no proof that BB is a woman. So perhaps, until the precise facts can be verified, this might be a rare case where the neutral 'they' would be preferable?

BonfireLady · 02/12/2024 19:28

lifeturnsonadime · 02/12/2024 18:33

Anyone else had a response to a complaint from the BBC along the lines of 'it wasn't me wot did it, blame Fifa?'

Pathetic.

I've given up complaining to the BBC because of the ease with which they wiggle out of these things.

They didn't draw up the shortlist, that's fair. But they did have an opportunity to say that the shortlist may not meet the criteria of their award. Where presumably the women's footballer of the year shortlist should contain women - ideally women's sport would test the sex of everyone, like World Aquatics do in swimming, so that we're well past any doubt before it gets to this point.

I appreciate it's a different issue but it's similar in some ways to the way that they handled the Dr Ronx debacle at the CAN conference. See the final paragraph of this story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13231759/cbbc-medical-presenter-accused-trans-mob-storm-conference-puberty-blocker-row.html

Correct, Dr Ronx isn't a BBC employee but it's a BBC platform on which Dr Ronx is seen by the audience. Surely they should be actively concerned that a Dr who they put on the screen is actively campaigning against evidence-based healthcare. Likewise, it's a BBC platform on which Banda is receiving this award. Surely they should be actively concerned that the football woman of the year may not be a woman.

For the BBC to say "not me, guv" is ridiculous.

CBBC presenter accused of leading trans mob's bid to storm conference

Dr Ronx Ikharia, who presents Operation Ouch!, was seen using a loud hailer outside a meeting of doctors at the Royal College of General Practitioners in London.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13231759/cbbc-medical-presenter-accused-trans-mob-storm-conference-puberty-blocker-row.html

lifeturnsonadime · 02/12/2024 19:24

Soontobe60 · 02/12/2024 19:22

Me - here it is.
*Thank you for contacting us about the BBC Women's Footballer of the Year 2024 which was awarded to Barbra Banda.

Barbra Banda has been a key figure in women’s football, representing Zambia at two Olympic Games, competing in the 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup, and playing professionally for Orlando Pride in the United States, making her fully eligible for nomination. Her achievements over the past year were assessed by an expert independent panel of current and former professionals, coaches, and journalists, who created a shortlist of five players based on their performances. The final winner was chosen through a global public vote. It is important to note that the same process has been used for all 10 years that the Women’s Footballer of the Year has been running.

We acknowledge that questions have been raised about eligibility. In our profile of Banda, we reported on the events of 2022 when she was initially selected to represent Zambia at the African Cup of Nations but then later was not included. What exactly happened is contested and there are conflicting reports. We reported about this at the time on the BBC and did so again here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3e8d344vndo.

Eligibility to participate in women’s football is the responsibility of FIFA and the football authorities. In the light of this case in 2022 FIFA said it was carrying out a review of its gender eligibility policy but as we reported this week, there has been no sign of progress with that review and FIFA did not reply to our attempts to find out what was happening.

We understand that topics like this can spark strong feelings. Thank you again for sharing your views. Your feedback is important, and it will be shared with the relevant producers.

Kind regards,

BBC Complaints Team
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints*

So in summary, the BEEB knows that there’s something ‘off’ with the player they've selected as Woman’s footballer of the Year, but chose to ignore all the questions and give it to what they think might turn out to be a bloke all along. Fucking joke!

They know 'she' is male.
Pathetic.