Times article re US military

I suspect if you look at the detail, it'll be the same as last time - no cross-sex hormones while on duty, and no, you can't shower with the opposite sex.

An early peaking moment was when I read in about 2015 that some important army guy had said that women in the army wouldn't be allowed to shower with a towel on if there was an MTF there because it was "othering".

Kicking trans people out of their jobs only for being trans is obviously not ok. I do think there will be trans people who shouldn't be eligible for specific service roles due to their medical needs. That should be assessed in the exact same way as any other medical status. And absolutely any segregation should be by sex, not gender feels.

I fully agree.

Biden not Obama reversed it. He did pass it but Biden over turned there was a lot of court cases

Not sure this is an escalation, Trump tried to do this in his first presidency - I think he couldn't get it through and then Obama reversed everything that Trump had managed to do. Now Trump has more 'power' it'll probably happen.

The rationale I think largely relates to front line action - if you need drugs to function on the front line then the military is not lethal enough to perform effectively, also the military budget is not there to provide medication for ongoing conditions so you'll be medically discharged if you rely on drugs.

If you agree with this then you are 100% transphobic because 15,000 military will be removed at a time when Putin is looking to attack the west well that’s okay because we all know Donald Trump is Putin‘s lap dog

Sorry, i totally missed your post and posted like i had a unique take!

I wonder if its to stop people identifying as trans and then causing problems because the demands for access to surgery, drugs and opposite sex spaces?

I'm guessing the 15,000 number is an estimate based on the total number of troops, rather than a known number.

That headline seems a bit ott. In the US, it looks like full on culture war, however, I'd be tempted to see how this one plays out. No matter how many complaints, Trump did win everything, and he won in part on 'they/ them' so he appears to have the right to make these decisions.
I'd be interested to know what the impact has been on women in the military and whether being trans does affect being in the military. Biden had a very high ranking trans officer, so they had a great deal of influence. No idea whether all of this has had impact.

Kicking trans people out of their jobs only for being trans is obviously not ok. I do think there will be trans people who shouldn't be eligible for specific service roles due to their medical needs. That should be assessed in the exact same way as any other medical status. And absolutely any segregation should be by sex, not gender feels.

I agree that this is about headline grabbing.

Now you see THAT is transphobic!! There’s absolutely no reason to sack anyone purely for being transgender

Same as any religious belief. So I suspect that's not what's happening here. "Transgender" is too woolly a concept anyway.

I suspect if you look at the detail, it'll be the same as last time - no cross-sex hormones while on duty, and no, you can't shower with the opposite sex.

Absolutely this is transphobic and vile.
Transwomen are men and transmen are women but those men and women have every right to live their lives without discrimination. Chucking them out of the armed forces is sickening.

Transpeople who are simultaneously so vulnerable that misgendering them leaves them in a puddle of tears and also strong enough to be in a war with access to guns.

Trump plans to kick transgender troops out of the military: report https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14121747/Trump-plans-kick-transgender-troops-military-15-000-service-members-medically-discharged-day-office-report-claims.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
The mails take on it.
He's correct about the fact that those trans people who are on cross sex hormones are not fit for deployment due to both their reliance on and the side effects of their drugs. Aa such a medical discharge is the correct course of action.

Now you see THAT is transphobic!! There’s absolutely no reason to sack anyone purely for being transgender

vile man

I’d rather he was doing something like banning all males from women’s spaces including prisons, sports etc.
That would have a much bigger impact than sacking 15,000 trans people. It shows he’s not really bothered about women, he just wants a big headline and huge arguments amongst the general public.