Sam Harris

Megyn Kelly in that podcast also talks interestingly on how the left is splitting into those like Sam Harris who see they've lost the plot on gender and need to course correct and those who won't allow them because they're in too deep. They will continue to police the language the left has allowed them to label as bigoted.

She describes it as they've built their own prison by going along with the madness, given the madman the keys and allowed themselves to be locked in.

Polling is showing that the number 1 issue for voters who swung to Trump was the trans issue.

Not the number one issue for most voters, which was inflation and then immigration, 'culture issues' were,third.

But number 1 for the voters that swung to him.
This is huge. It won him the election.

I got this from Megyn Kelly yesterday. She also brilliantly credits all the women who fought this for years who forced trump to do it and who changed her mind.
And most of them are British 😁!

Sorry I don't know how far in it is, you'll have to listen to find it. But it's Big News. For politicians everywhere

x.com/megynkelly/status/1856162987435757932?t=znDpyv2A8SfGkSPi72nNlg&s=09

That's the middle ground between American trans-trenders/TRAs and the American right.

In the UK it's just the GC position as it stands.

He does talk about that. Where available, he says he uses unisex, where not, he uses "ladies" because using "gents" would be worse. He does look feminine.
Also, he says he'll never use a female space where people would be exposed - like changing rooms

He seems happy, from what I listened to. Of course, only he knows

I totally agree there should be no vilification, mocking or meanness directed at those who don’t want to present in stereotypical ways

You say that, but OTOH I feel strongly that mocking (pointing and laughing, literally and metaphorically) should not be a crime.

He must believe he fits some description of woman to use the women's toilets.

A few.

It's notable BW is gay, not AGP.

But also, I think BW is more and more seeing his transition as a response to trauma, and I really wonder if he won't come to the conclusion it might have been better to address the trauma that start of the never-ending road of attempting to sculpt himself into a pseudo-woman.

It's not good health care mentally or otherwise.

Some are happy. I listened to Blaire White interview on heretics/Andrew Gold - "I know I'm not a woman" I'm sure he's not the only one

I totally agree there should be no vilification, mocking or meanness directed at those who don’t want to present in stereotypical ways (annoyingly we had that from the bloody 1980s without any issue!) - “call yourself what you want, wear what you want, sleep with any consenting adult that’ll have you” definitely applies. I do fear there will be a backlash on people like this and gay people in particular as they’ve been lumped into LBGT. Hope not, but I’m not optimistic.

What is a legal gender? What words would be used to describe the genders?

Completely disaggregating sex from gender, upholding single sex spaces and ensuring gender non conforming people (whatever that means if you disaggregate sex from gender) aren't discriminated against and can navigate the world without being vilified for how they choose to present themselves

Yes - the 'middle ground' is in reality, of course, what actual gc feminists advocated before it became a weird polarised left/right issue.

He was talking about this before the election too.

That's not a middle ground.

The men want to be seen as women, not feminine men. They need to be grouped with women, and making up a category of gender will lead to this.

If trans exists legally, there needs to be a legal grouping of 'women and TW' and 'men and TM' for the trans to mean anything.

If women are grouped with men who want to be women, thats forcing trans ideology onto women.

Is there a middle ground?

"This is my point. How is it possible to have a middle ground in a concept where we are pretending people can change sex?

What do you think the middle ground can look like?"

Completely disaggregating sex from gender, upholding single sex spaces and ensuring gender non conforming people (whatever that means if you disaggregate sex from gender) aren't discriminated against and can navigate the world without being vilified for how they choose to present themselves

This is my point. How is it possible to have a middle ground in a concept where we are pretending people can change sex?

What do you think the middle ground can look like?

I've always had the impression that Harris doesn't like Trump because Trump isnt of the calibre to represent him. He maybe right, but he's angry that people would vote for Trump over the respectability of established politicians.

He has spoken out about how bonkers mainstream politics has become, but up until now hasn't thought it bad enough not to vote for them, especially if the alternative is Trump. But i dont think its necessarily just trump, its anyone who is outside the current thinking because that will naturally make them less respectable and challenge current polite ideas. His attitude to trans is a case in point, if he thinks a genuine trans person is someone who thinks they are at four, that naturally leads to childhood transition, doesn't it? But then he critises trans in the classroom. The two statements cannot work within the current mainstream political ideas.

We can see it here in the UK when even as people begin to see trans having gone too far, they are unable to solve anything because they can't challenge the fundamental belief. They are waiting for the 'pendulum to swing back' and not wanting to talk about it. But that is not enough and the only people willing and able to do something are people who aren't afraid of looking 'unsuitable', for want of a better word.

I think this is huge. It’s like JKR coming out in the UK. It will make it so much easier for Democrats in the US to speak out.

'Millions of Americans voted on this as a SINGLE ISSUE.'
Starmer wake up!
You will no longer be able to ignore it.

Its all a bit;

And about time too. Here's to a United TERFs of America with no children sterilised.

Thanks OP will have a listen.

It’s been fascinating on Twix since the election. I feel like the gaslighting that’s been going on is suddenly failing spectacularly. Have to wait to see how it all falls out now though. I’ve thought it’s all coming to a climax before and then some crap rolled out from yet another captured power source that set the progress back again. There are mutterings of court cases against the doctors driving this, but nothing concrete. When victims start to sue those doctors, and win, that will really signal the beginning of the end.