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IwantToRetire · 06/11/2024 01:26

Kamala Harris 27
45.2% popular vote
12,768,875 votes

Donald Trump 99
53.8% popular vote
15,275,564 votes

270 to win

U.S. election results 2024 | CBC News

6/11/2024 @ 01:25 GMT

U.S. election results 2024

Get live results from the U.S. presidential race between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. See if the Democrats or Republicans win control of the House and the Senate.

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/us/2024/results/

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 10:24

It's satire, which tends to be based on reality. Like this:

www.nationalreview.com/news/harvard-university-to-offer-segregated-graduation-ceremonies-based-on-race-class-sexuality/amp/

Myalternate · 08/11/2024 10:22

That article was from May 2021 I believe. Were White cisheteronormatives were banned from attending any ceremonies. actually excluded ?

so it was a joke?

ThreeWordHarpy · 08/11/2024 10:22

lifeturnsonadime · 08/11/2024 10:13

So segregation is now to be applauded and is progressive.

Utter madness.

Erm…

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lifeturnsonadime · 08/11/2024 10:13

So segregation is now to be applauded and is progressive.

Utter madness.

lifeturnsonadime · 08/11/2024 09:53

That is a powerful letter. It doesn't say when it was sent though which is a shame.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2024 09:46

EasternStandard · 08/11/2024 09:16

Yes you're correct. I know the distinction well but here we are not so good at separating the two. Although polling does show that many are ok more ok with general visa based immigration than channel crossings.

I also think the media is part of that, even the BBC who will largely resist building a narrative similar to what Australia have managed to do

I think though, that the concept of ‘stopping the boats’ was based on protecting those vulnerable people from making hugely dangerous sea crossings. I remember the discussions at the time were not just about preventing the increase in illegal immigrants, but also to look at options including processing before they got on those overcrowded boats to make journeys in horrendous conditions.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 09:41

There was this woman on The View absolutely astonished that anyone could ignore Queen Latifah's "endorsement."

Grin
RedToothBrush · 08/11/2024 09:33

The pint of milk theory is still going to be the biggest motivator/demotivator though.

In a battle between concerns about the cost of a pint of milk and the state of the working of democracy, which is going to engage more voters?

This is not rocket science.

borntobequiet · 08/11/2024 09:32

It’s shortsighted to dismiss issues as marginal, especially when an election hinges on decisions made by undecided voters. If I were genuinely undecided on the big issues, I might well be swayed by something more personal or aligning with my core beliefs.
For example, I might feel that differing economic policies don’t make much impact over the long run, and in fact in Trump’s first term the US economy did OK (to the surprise of some), so although I might respond to a survey saying economic issues are important to me - because they are, though I don’t have in-depth understanding of them - they wouldn’t necessarily affect my decision greatly, whereas gender issues, which I do feel strongly about and which might affect me personally and directly, would.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/11/2024 09:21

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/11/2024 09:11

Do you remember Hillary and her celebrities? I would have thought Kamala would have avoided the same mistake. Nobody gives a monkeys what comes out of the mouths of vacuous Hollywood stars. There was this woman on The View absolutely astonished that anyone could ignore Queen Latifah's "endorsement."

I said this to my friends in 2016 who woke up horrified when Trump got in. I wasn't surprised at all, and mentioned how using richer than you'll ever be celebs to tell you how to vote when you're skint every month despite working hard and facing increasing crime in your area, issues that won't affect any celebrity, is the most irritating thing. And the dems did it again!

EasternStandard · 08/11/2024 09:16

LilyBartsHatShop · 08/11/2024 07:35

Australia takes "stopping the boats" very seriously.
We've (i.e. Australia) had just as much of a neo-liberal consensus as the rest of the western world in the last four decades, and our economic growth continues to depend on levels of immigration that are here being called high. (As a percentage of existing population).
Asylum seekers and immigrants are very different groups, but it suits the interests of politicians to confuse the two in voters' minds.

Yes you're correct. I know the distinction well but here we are not so good at separating the two. Although polling does show that many are ok more ok with general visa based immigration than channel crossings.

I also think the media is part of that, even the BBC who will largely resist building a narrative similar to what Australia have managed to do

EasternStandard · 08/11/2024 09:13

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/11/2024 09:11

Do you remember Hillary and her celebrities? I would have thought Kamala would have avoided the same mistake. Nobody gives a monkeys what comes out of the mouths of vacuous Hollywood stars. There was this woman on The View absolutely astonished that anyone could ignore Queen Latifah's "endorsement."

It's odd isn't it, although I recall many posts on here about Swift or whoever for Harris and how much it would help

It was a superficial endorsement, who cares?

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/11/2024 09:11

Do you remember Hillary and her celebrities? I would have thought Kamala would have avoided the same mistake. Nobody gives a monkeys what comes out of the mouths of vacuous Hollywood stars. There was this woman on The View absolutely astonished that anyone could ignore Queen Latifah's "endorsement."

RatitesUnite · 08/11/2024 08:33

TrumptonsFireEngine · 08/11/2024 08:25

Did Harris do anything in her campaign akin to Trump’s photoshoot in a drive through or garbage truck? Things that would appeal to the working man/women? Those two Trump things were very ‘Trump’ but made him relatable to a lot of people who might otherwise feel overlooked by rallies and talk shows. They were very visual.

Let’s be fair. She went on SNL, that bastion of woke liberal elites. Those working men and women should have been impressed.

TrumptonsFireEngine · 08/11/2024 08:25

Did Harris do anything in her campaign akin to Trump’s photoshoot in a drive through or garbage truck? Things that would appeal to the working man/women? Those two Trump things were very ‘Trump’ but made him relatable to a lot of people who might otherwise feel overlooked by rallies and talk shows. They were very visual.

LilyBartsHatShop · 08/11/2024 07:35

EasternStandard · 07/11/2024 13:57

Australia take immigration issues very seriously and have done for over a decade.

No one will vote that out now, they know what it is to deal with border security in a way that people just won't change.

Australia takes "stopping the boats" very seriously.
We've (i.e. Australia) had just as much of a neo-liberal consensus as the rest of the western world in the last four decades, and our economic growth continues to depend on levels of immigration that are here being called high. (As a percentage of existing population).
Asylum seekers and immigrants are very different groups, but it suits the interests of politicians to confuse the two in voters' minds.

RedToothBrush · 08/11/2024 07:34

IwantToRetire · 08/11/2024 01:38

Fewer white men and white women voted for Trump this time!

But in all demographics the change was around +1% or - 1%

Apart from both men and women classified as Hispanci/Latino where Trump increased his vote by +18% men and +7% women.

The Dems didn't even try to court the Hispanic vote did they? They thought they had it in the bag.

IwantToRetire · 08/11/2024 01:38

Fewer white men and white women voted for Trump this time!

But in all demographics the change was around +1% or - 1%

Apart from both men and women classified as Hispanci/Latino where Trump increased his vote by +18% men and +7% women.

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IwantToRetire · 08/11/2024 01:28

Fun facts which popular reporting has concealed.

Obama and Clinton got (within a few thousand) the same number of votes in 2012 and 2016, so in terms of populat vote they were equal.

in 2020 Biden got 81 million and something compared to their 65 million and something. The biggest popular vote in the past 4 presidential elections.

So far, but could still change, Trump has got fewer votes this time, than 4 years ago.

So there is no, was no, Republican surge. Its just like the Democrats stayed at home.

Its as though the MSM once they have made up an angle early on an election, just stick to it even when the facts make clear it isn't true.

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duc748 · 08/11/2024 00:58

I loved that he had to get his points in in the middle about being bettering yourself and increasing wealth, but despite his apparent nervousness, that's Keir Starmer we're talking about, not Tony Benn or Jeremy Corbyn. That said, of course he makes some fair enough points. Points which maybe are familiar enough to MN posters, but not sufficiently promulgated in the mass media.

UtopiaPlanitia · 08/11/2024 00:27

I came across this analysis on YouTube and thought it might be of interest to the thread:

Blackbelt Barrister - The Left are Losing it in a Total Meltdown, But Why?!

BonfireLady · 07/11/2024 19:53

@TrumptonsFireEngine @RedToothBrush when I said that there isn't an LGBT+ ideology, that might have been just clumsy wording on my part.

I don't believe that there is one because it's two completely different groups of people, so there isn't an overarching "ideology" that binds it together. There are LGB people who demonstrate allyship of T, Q and + people because they've been led to believe everyone in the alphabet group is facing the same oppression, but I still wouldn't call that a single ideology. It's more a coercive situation where LGB people have been duped into following T ideology, with Q and + thrown on top. Being LGB is no more an ideology than being female or male.