US Election results

The thing about abortion rights is that the Democrats have been using it as a stick and carrot to beat women with whilst making promises that they've never followed through on nor ever will otherwise they would have fixed it in the last 4 years.
Ps roe v wade was a bad judgment (made for the right reasons) that was open to reversal since it was made every Democrat government since has known this fact and rather than amending the constitution to guarantee abortion rights they chose to do nothing so they could use it as a threat to keep women in line.

I wish I could say I was surprised by this result but I'm not.

I broadly agree with the Democrats about most things except all the trans nonsense, but I find them completely uninspiring and out of touch.

We've seen the same thing over and over again in the last ten years (since I started to take an interest in politics) and probably a lot longer. We saw it with Scottish independence, Brexit, Trump 2016 and now Trump again. The more "establishment" side have absolutely nothing to offer other than scare tactics about what will happen if people vote for the maverick. People want to vote for something, not against something.

I posted in this forum a while back about having been kicked out of a US based parenting group for politely disagreeing that JK Rowling is a Nazi. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that group today. With them, I thought a huge part of the problem is that they just cancel anyone who disagrees with them about anything. If you refuse to engage with anyone who doesn't already agree with you about anything you are never going to get anywhere. You'll never win anyone over to your point of view or achieve any kind of meaningful change.

A lot of people will say it's because America is fundamentally sexist and racist and a black woman was never going to beat a white man to the White House. Whilst I think there is probably some truth in that, Obama won two terms and Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, so it clearly isn't beyond the realms of possibility for a woman or a person of colour to be POTUS. The problem here is that Biden has been one foot in the grave for most of his term and Kamala has been nowhere to be seen. I don't think I saw her in the news once between Biden's election four years ago when she was his running mate and a few months ago when he finally accepted that he couldn't run for a second term.

Last time he was elected he had more sensible people around him. The guard rails are off now.
He might work well on the trans issue in America, that might prove worse for us though. In that he will be pointed at as the sort of person, and views, we should be distancing ourselves from.

Whoeever wins, look on the bright side - at least the other one didn't.

You only need to tolerate half the possible shit.

@NotBadConsidering the thing is that for many people it's not about who will make things better but who will do the least damage and unfortunately it's true for most voters

I'm pleased - Trump will stop gender ideology - no more men playing with their exposed boobs on the White House lawn and hopefully no more Admiral Levine.
I know Harris' party has made a good deal out of crying 'abortion rights' but unless 'women are women' then there are no women's rights.

To the people here saying a plus point to Repubs is they're not in the tank for the whole trans crap:
No, they're in the tank for Stepford wives crap. That is NOT pro-woman. Or pro-man. Or pro-human.

That is not entirely true. There will be a protection of women’s college sport with a removal of the Obama administration’s amendment on Title IX because Republicans believe men shouldn’t be in women’s sport, because they’re men. Not because of any Stepford wives crap.

They’ll help protect children from medical treatments that will leave them sterilised and sexually dysfunctional because they don’t believe children can be trans and can consent to treatments that will leave them medicalised for life. Not because of any Stepford wives crap.

Yes, conservatives believe in traditional gender roles, but they also know nonsense when they see it and are capable of doing things for the right reasons too.

Trump is a terrible person but we had all this apocalyptic nonsense the last time he was elected.

To the people here saying a plus point to Repubs is they're not in the tank for the whole trans crap:

No, they're in the tank for Stepford wives crap. That is NOT pro-woman. Or pro-man. Or pro-human.

Yes, Dems are hopeless on the issue.

But it looks like we're headed into an abyss because of a demented goon who can wait to ingratiate himself with Putin by handing him Ukraine. (And guess what Putin will be eyeing next?) Who can't wait to turn the whole world into a roaster to own the libs. Who gets his kicks rounding people up into camps.

If we're not saved at the 11th hour with a Harris Presidency and a Dem House, it's going to be grim.

I think it's become clear that many Americans' voting attitude is "anyone but a woman". It's a sad world.
Just because they find a few vox pops that say that doesn't make it true.
I'm not happy that Trump might win, in fact I find it astonishing that people would vote for him. But to reduce it to gender is ridiculous.
For a start, whether she is a woman or not, she was not a great candidate.

I didn't vote Harris primarily because I didn't believe her on gun control.

100% agree

I think it's become clear that many Americans' voting attitude is "anyone but a woman". It's a sad world.

Trump doesn't oppose abortion, he just created a situation whete the individual state can make it's own decision which is better.
Women who support abortion or feel they might want one can move to a state where abortion is legal.

You should watch Kellie-Jay's video from last night as she explains it really well.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-l2BehmUtw

Depends on the woman I think, for example Michelle Obama would likely win, Harris was vp and achieved very little and by the time she became candidate it was late , too late for her campaign to convince the public enough she was really not as crap as she seemed as vp. People who are voting for her, are voting against trump, rather than for her.

bit like here when folks voted reform, it was against the tories.

American however want more cash in their pockets due to th4 col crisis, and trump will give them that. We went the other way, we voted for less cash in our pockets.

Whatever Trump's own beliefs, he's leading an insular, paranoid, right wing movement that opposes abortion and elevates evangelical Christians and the far right. This is NOT good for women.

I'm also against genderism, but not at this cost.

How is it bad? It's a fantastic result for the protection of women and girls from gender ideology.

This is bad.

Some people didn't vote for Harris because she's a woman. I heard them say so in vox pox interviews. Will America ever accept a female leader or is the psychological barrier too high? It's all quite bleak.

Kamala Harris
194 electoral college votes

Donald Trump
245 electoral college votes

Crikey.

Kamala Harris
189 electoral college votes
47.5% popular vote

Donald Trump
229 electoral college votes
51.0% popular vote

270 to win

5:18 GMT.

I voted for the first time. You get a ballot paper from the poll person, put it in a machine. Make your choices on the computer. Review them, then confirm and print the ballot. Take the ballot to another area and put it in a bin/another computer. Gosh I can’t remember.

This is Texas. I went with my neighbour first day of voting to make sure I got it done

Especially if it's close, it will be a while before anything is confirmed - like, late in the week later, potentially.

I will be surprised if it's Harris though.

Yes, that's what I was trying to find too - the stats and no opinions.

I know a lot of American states use voting machines, so I'm assuming that would make counting votes potentially quicker than using paper ballots...🤔