Women's jail campaigners demand transmen offenders should be kept in female prisons *Title edited at OP's request*

So how do you define biological sex? And on what basis do you claim that everyone else ought to agree with your definition?

Still no-one seems to be able to answer this question.

To assign implies that there is an element of discretion. There isn't. No doctor or midwife has ever delivered a baby with a penis and said, "I think this one looks like a girl, don't you?"

It's almost as if the entire medical profession and all sane lay people agree that born with a penis = male = boy.

Another Zombie thread bumped by a brand new poster spewing nonsense. Worth checking those things on any old thread.

More gender fundamentalist absurdity. Observation is assignment. Observation assigns the child to a class.

You have got very very confused. Our genitalia is a result of our sex, it does not define our sex.

In the same way that putting bleach on my hair does not make me a natural blonde, cutting off a man’s penis does not make him a woman. Think John Wayne Bobbitt- he did not become a woman for the short time that Loretta had possession of his penis.

Biological sex is not immutable by any definition unless you have started making up incorrect definitions.

It’s not a tricky concept really.

No we don’t. My children had a sex from the moment of conception. This sex was observed both from scans and a chromosome test. Nobody ‘assigned’ anything.

No, there really aren't.

In almost 100% of the population all the signs are utterly consistent with each other, and the vanishingly rare cases where it's more complicated than that have got fuck all to do with trans people.

No, we don't assign it, we observe it.

We assign the sex of children on the basis of exactly these secondary sexual characteristics. And no others.

Because there are multiple definitions and they are all inconsistent. But you really don't want to understand that, do you?

Why should anybody be required to use words according to their actual definition?

Why can't we all just use words to mean whatever we want them to mean?

It's not like we need to be able to communicate with each other or anything.

Here's the problem. There are all kinds of ways of defining sex biologically but they are not all consistent with each other. Some, like karyotype, are unchangeable. Others, such as external genitalia, are clearly changeable. (And by the way, children are assigned sex on the basis of external genitalia. Yes, I know that's another concept the gender police want to censor, but all observations are assignments to some set,)

And none of these criteria are universal. So if you want to say biological sex is immutable according to your favourite definition,, you're welcome to do that. It's a free country. What I'm asking and which no-one seems able to answer is why everyone else should be required to use the same definition.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel there, pet. 😉 All humans can do is sit in a machine which will carry them through the air, rather than along the ground or across the sea. It's not flying as seen in the wonder of avian or insect flight, it's merely transportation.

Sex is coded in every cell of the human body. if you were born male you will die male and your skeleton will be recognisable as male by future archaeologists. All that anyone can attempt to change are secondary sexual characteristics - in other words cosmetic changes.

Nope. You first.

Errr…… cos mammals can’t change sex. If they could, there’d be evidence.

A JP friend told me a transwoman would be sent to a male prison but would be segregated for their own safety. It reminded me of a programme not long ago inside a prison in Italy where transwomen are segregated from men and may have supervised interaction, but are nowhere near the female prisoners. That seems a fair balance.

I've only seen one (quite passable) transman even attempt to go to a male prison, who sensibly refused to house her.

Humans can't fly ((they can operate an aircraft which can)
Humans can't run faster than a speeding train ((they can operate an vehicle which can)
Humans can't make holes in steel (they can operate an electric drill which can)
Humans can't lift 2 tons ((they can operate an fork lift which can)

You may be thinking of Superman, but he isn't human and is also fictional which is appropriate in this case because so are the people who changed sex

Blackface is a crude disguise to make a white person look black but is not close to being realistic.

Gender-affirming surgery is a crude disguise to make a person look like the other sex, but is not close to being realistic.

How is it we know that clownfish have changed biological sex? Is it the lipstick? High heels? Or is it that they change from producing small gametes to large gametes or vice versa? Can humans do that?

Errrr - the flying machine is a pretty massive difference.

Errrr hate to break it to you - but humans can’t fly. Have you arrived on the right planet?

Yes.

Can anyone defend the view that trans women are women without resorting to circular reasoning?

@Cassandrazone are you saying people have changed biological sex? Who exactly are those people? Oh and while you're at it who exactly is it that can fly? You seem very, very confused about reality.

Biological sex meaning - Biological sex refers to the biological and physiological attributes that typically classify a person as male, female, or intersex at birth. It is based on a combination of factors including chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive and other physical anatomy.

Transmen need to be in female estate for their own safety. They should not be given testosterone IMO for the safety of others.

What about these transmen’s feeling of validation and inclusion as men? This isn’t so important for trans people after all? Why are they scared of their 100% identical brethren?

It’s the same as in sports. Transwomen want to compete against women for fairness and inclusion. But many transmen athletes prefer staying in the female category, so inclusion/validation wasn’t so important after all.

But of course, I agree they must be in female prisons.

Just as transwomen must stay in male prisons. On reduxx.info you can see many examples of the deviants who really want to serve time in women prisons.