Elon Musk is a twat

🤣🤣 I actually think curry spices are a bit drug like. I definitely feel great after a hot curry. When I'm getting a cold I crave curry and usually feel loads better after.

"When a woman does it, its neurotic. When a man does it, its philosophy"

I am so using that in real life

It's interesting because the stereotype is women are "overthinkers". When a woman does it, its neurotic. When a man does it, its philosophy 😂

Its all underpinned by sexism in my opinion.

Obviously what I'm suggesting is a generalisation but there is definitely something to it, whether we like that or not.

I think testosterone removes a lot of 'noise', so things are a bit more black and white without the more subtle things that women are considering.

There's very little research on the effect of hormones on women, even the endogenous ones and even less so with menopausal women.

There seems to be some indication that testosterone has a neuroprotective effect for menopausal women against dementia for example.

Anyone who's experienced PMT will know that hormones definitely affect how you think.

Also of course, while the argument is that testosterone makes people more impulsive, (or more decisive potato, patahto) and less reflective, most philosophers and thinkers tend to be very self reflective, and spend a lot of time thinking things through or examining their own thoughts. Often to the point of neurosis. "Acting on instinct" is the opposite to critical thinking (although useful in certain situations, if 2 people see a tiger in the bush the person that runs away survives. The person contemplating whether it is an actual tiger, or merely a shadowy version of the platonic ideal of a tiger gets to be lunch).

Anyway back to hormones. In my idealistic brain it's all "different not better" and there are pros and cons.

Men do take more risks and as a result they are more likely to die in accidents or in violence. Because they don't always think through the consequences effectively.

Women do put others first and act more nurturingly and as a result are convinced giving birth is a great idea even though its highly risky with life altering consequences (no judgement, I have children).

Human society is so successful because it takes all sorts and all approaches have pros and cons. The blend is powerful. Musk in his supremacist, overly simplified world view appears to forget that.

@hamstersarse Oooh, it is interesting! I definately noticed a difference in the way I think after children versus before. I think it made my situational awareness shoot up for example, but also made me much more upset at the thought of things being hurt (obviously I never liked it, Im not a psychopath). It would be really interesting to see that studied properly - maybe if women took cognitive reasoning and EQ tests before pregnancy, during pregnancy and after pregnancy for example. Then I would know whether the differences were real or just in my head.

I do think hormones (all hormones) influence our behaviour and emotions. Its just that that gets reduced, in an incredibly unscientific way, to "testosterone = rationality; oestrogen=emotion" and repeated as a meme by people with no curiosity about the actual truth. Its the exact opposite of how good science works.

Your posts often make me laugh marie, bet you are good fun irl

Exactly!
In my simple lady brain I just don't pay particular attention to what they say about testosterone because the whole ideology is built around self-deception.

That explains a lot of what's going on, thanks biscuitandcake!

BTW I'm also respectfully reading your other posts about drugs, hormones etc.
My space-cadet intervention was perhaps badly placed in the thread.
But it got a laugh and inspired your wonderful Hitchhikers link

Its also a bit confusing, because the whole point of transmen being transmen is that they feel like men deep inside (therefore are men). Taking testosterone then makes them more rational, because men produce testosterone and that biological difference is what makes men rational - (and the relationship between T and rationality proves men are more rational). But if the transmen were fundamentally men all along, they would have had stereotypical male traits like rationality. But they didn't because it comes from T. But if it comes from T then maleness isn't an inherent trait transmen can have. But then they aren't really men, so why take testosterone.

Or possibly I don't understand because I don't have enough rationality juice pumping through my veins

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Do you not think this is just stereotyping/placebo effect? I think its the same as TW saying oestrogen has made them "more emotional and in touch with their feminine side" 🙄

I feel it's pretty regressive to think men are innately "better thinkers" because of testosterone.

It doesn't just apply to drug addicts though. I am right anyway because I am more rational than you. I know I am more rational than you because I feel, deep within myself, a complete confidence in my own rationality. I have no confidence in your rationality. Therefore I am more rational than you. Do you see the inherent problem there?

I’m interested in the impact of hormones on decision making.

At a very basic level, I had varying degrees of rationality throughout my menstrual cycle. The PMS phase being especially objectively worse.

Now I’m in the reduced oestrogen phase, I can see how my nurturing arsedness has reduced significantly. When I was 30, I’d have been overly vigilant in looking after others, especially my children. I’d sacrifice myself easily and essentially without complaint to look after others.

I’m not like that now, much more able to be rational now the female hormones have reduced. I don’t think it’s just ageing, I think hormones play a role.

Given I don’t know what it’s like to have High T, I think it’s interesting to wonder whether making decisions about certain things are easier, even if they are riskier, By certain things, I think I mean business decisions, creative decisions, practical decisions, because I’d also hypothesise that High O women make way better decisions around caring for others, children and communities, than High T men

There’s probably a lovely symbiotic relationship that nature created 🤷‍♀️

If you're argument is citing an example of a drug addict then you don't have an argument.

Menopausal women are another group who can find testosterone useful.

All drugs have unpleasant side effects.

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He wants to colonise mars, not just land on it remember.
So careful, or you will end up a space wife, on Mars popping out sprog after sprog in order to breed a future Martian super-race.

In all seriousness, expanding into space, going to Mars is cool. Governments are more focused on the "practical" facts that sending robots rather than humans is more efficient, but there is something inherently cool about human endeavour and exploration not just robots. Given that he has the chance (money, resources) to be involved in something so interesting, its baffling that he spends hours and hours on Twitter/X shit posting idiotic takes.

I'm getting vibes of that titanic submersible disaster! But yes I'm in for crowdfunding as long as he is definitely going on the first flight 😂

Enough of the geology and pharmacology yadda yadda - let me through, I'm a space cadet!

So I heard on the news that the ultimate goal behind the SpaceX Polaris Dawn project is that 'Elon Musk wants to go to Mars'.

Now THERE'S a cause that I just know you'll want to crowdfund for, so get your forks and spades out and getting digging for Elon!

And I'm remembering that old radfem 'joke' - If they can put one man on the moon, why can't they put them all there?'. Replace with 'Elon' and 'Mars' where appropriate..😂

🚀Elon - To Infinity - And Beyond - To The Far Side of Beyond🚀

Hmmmmm.... I was friends with someone who took drugs regularly, eventually getting a severe addiction, who reckoned that taking cocaine not only made them feel good (undoubtable true) but also just made them a better, less boring version of themselves etc. From the outside, it did NOT. See also alcohol, the more I drink, the more convinced I am of my sparkling wit and excellent dancing skills.

If 100% of people say taking X drug makes them feel more confident, happy, less in pain then probably the drug does that. If all those people say the drug makes them smarter, more rational, better at reasoning you can't conclude the drug does that. Especially if you are asking them while they are taking the drug. How do you know that you are thinking clearly. (Like the character Theus in the Bacchae by Euripedes - at one point he thinks that he is talking to a man and hallucinating a giant bull. Really he is talking to the giant bull and hallucinating a man. He thinks he is the only rational character in the play. But he's insane.)

That doesn't mean men or those with lots of testosterone = less rational/more emotional. But it also doesn't make them more rational/less emotional either. Certainly, the behaviour of many transmen doesn't scream unemotional rationalist to me.

I dunno. I've heard many transmen say they feel loads better when they start taking T. Their thinking is clearer and they feel more emotionally stable and calmer. It definitely has some beneficial effects.

"..there is also an interesting conversation to be had about the effects of testosterone levels on decision-making – it’s a question that has been studied for a very long time. And you know what those studies show? That testosterone makes men “less likely to question their impulses” and is linked to “less self-reflection”..".

I'd say half the threads in AIBU are due to the inability of the poster to say No to someone. I find this fascinating but also very frustrating.

Yes, I'm a geologist!

Are you a geologist sinner? I love a bit of rock licking myself
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