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Employment Tribunal Case to Protect Single-Sex Facilities at Work

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FayeRC · 06/09/2024 13:39

Dear Mumsnet Members,

I have issued an employment tribunal complaint against NHS England to protect single-sex facilities at work.

A preliminary hearing will be held in early October 2024. I would be very grateful for some urgent gardening support at CrowdJustice. I won't add a link here as it is against Mumsnet rules.

It would be interesting to hear other people's views on legislation around single-sex facilities at WORK. However, I won't be commenting much on this public forum whilst the case is on-going.

Yours faithfully,
Faye Russell-Caldicott / FayeRC

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FayeRC · 24/01/2025 09:29

Dear all,

The next stage is to prepare for the second preliminary hearing scheduled in February 2025. The second hearing will handle remaining case management issues and anonymity application. So far, I have been campaigning under a pseudonym.

Since the first preliminary hearing last Autumn, the Respondent has asked a lot of additional questions about the impact my PTSD has on my day-to-day life. I have submitted five pages of answers in addition to the five pages that they already had in the original Disability Impact Statement. We are now waiting to hear the Respondent to either admit or deny my disability status because of PTSD.

I would be forever grateful for your support to cover the legal costs of the next stage. More importantly, I'd be grateful, if you shared my story with your connections again. Please search for my name at CrowdJustice.com as Mumsnet does not allow OPs posting links.

Thank you,
Faye Russell-Caldicott

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/01/2025 09:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2025 08:13

remembering their disgraceful "trans guidelines" they tried to impose on schools until they withdrew them rather than face scrutiny in a judicial review).

I have a copy on an old laptop of mine that I downloaded in about 2017.

That's great. I just kept the link which of course was eradicated as the embarrassing evidence of the CPS's complicity with queer theory fanaticism was exposed.
It was a chilling example of the levels of power extreme transactivism has - especially when you consider that the CPS is supposedly free from political influence and dispenses "impartial" justice. Also speaks to why they're so hopeless at prosecuting VAWG with these misogynists deeply embedded in the service.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2025 08:13

remembering their disgraceful "trans guidelines" they tried to impose on schools until they withdrew them rather than face scrutiny in a judicial review).

I have a copy on an old laptop of mine that I downloaded in about 2017.

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FayeRC · 16/01/2025 07:55

Thank you both. More mangetouts and sharing needed to fully cover the next stage, which is another preliminary hearing in Feb.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/01/2025 15:44

Planted some seeds for January. Good luck.

fanOfBen · 12/01/2025 12:39

Gardened. Looks to me as though protecting single-sex spaces is the next major push, after stopping people being sacked for GC views which (fingers crossed) seems to be almost established now. Good luck!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/01/2025 10:27

FayeRC · 12/01/2025 10:17

Have others clocked how these kinds of staff policies apply to 16-17-year-old apprentices, too? It means that a minor might find themselves showering in the same space with a recently 'socially transitioned' adult male and there is nothing the minor can do about it. Madness.

These policies appear to be successfully "de criminalising" the crimes of indecent exposure and voyeurism against women.

We need one of the numerous changing room / toilet incidents to be reported to the police with public scrutiny as to whether they're a Stonewall captured force believing in the lady penis or a responsible force aware of sexual VAWG. It then needs to go to the courts depending on whether the trans captured CPS follows the law of the land or the Stonewall version that they've been quietly trying to impose on society. (remembering their disgraceful "trans guidelines" they tried to impose on schools until they withdrew them rather than face scrutiny in a judicial review).

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FayeRC · 12/01/2025 10:17

Have others clocked how these kinds of staff policies apply to 16-17-year-old apprentices, too? It means that a minor might find themselves showering in the same space with a recently 'socially transitioned' adult male and there is nothing the minor can do about it. Madness.

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themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/01/2025 10:04

The most likely reason I can think of for a woman wanting anonymity in this sort of case is that there may be serious repercussions for her and / or her children if not granted. Given the example of intimidation, threats and behaviour that has affected many brave women's rights advocates children so far, (e.g. Kate Scottow, Posie's, JKRs and Caroline Farrow's children just off the top of my head), we need to bear in mind what a heavy burden we are placing on women who stand up if they must always be publicly named.

I do agree in general court cases should be open, but there may well be circumstances where this would cause real danger.

Personally I am increasingly convinced that society positively welcomes men who use the implied threat of harm to children to control women. Including the courts.

Thank you Faye for doing this.

anyolddinosaur · 10/01/2025 09:43

Defra case trans person did not get anonymity.

I agree that this is a different situation as trans people are not generally threatened at work and people dont try to get them sacked unless they are doing things anyone else would be sacked for. Still the bar for anonymity is high. You have a great barrister, I'm sure the case will be well made and I hope it succeeds.

@ElleWoods15 We have had someone turn up on mumsnet before claiming to be the person requesting help - and they lied to try and discredit the person needing help. I have no reason to believe Faye is lying but a made up name can conceal anything.

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FayeRC · 09/01/2025 22:04

The name here is a very made-up pseudonym. I didn't want some poor soul with a more common name who might work for the respondent start receiving queries about the case, had I happened to pick their name, so I formed a longer combo of names to differentiate from anyone else.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 21:00

OP clearly stated that it was a pseudonym in her second post, hope that addresses your concerns, Elle.

ElleWoods15 · 09/01/2025 20:44

True. Seemed an odd name for a pseudonym. Maybe the OP could clarify.

BrightLightFright · 09/01/2025 20:31

ElleWoods15 · 09/01/2025 20:09

How would anonymity work when you have already publicised your case on CrowdJustice and Mumsnet? A court won’t order anonymity when the person asking for it is the one seeking publicity.

If that has been done under a pseudonym, then the OP has kept their anonymity.

ElleWoods15 · 09/01/2025 20:09

How would anonymity work when you have already publicised your case on CrowdJustice and Mumsnet? A court won’t order anonymity when the person asking for it is the one seeking publicity.

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FayeRC · 09/01/2025 19:53

Sorry i meant that the trans person who was named as Second Respondent in Fife case did not receive anonymity. Not sure what's going on with the Defra case.

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Tallisker · 09/01/2025 19:19

Ah I'm sorry, I'm getting my cases muddled 🙄

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FayeRC · 09/01/2025 18:53

Thank you for donating. I was hoping news on the anonymity before Christmas but I think I need to assume they might just decide on it on the scheduled day in Feb, which means I then need to cover costs for a second preliminary.

My barrister, Naomi C, is the same as in the Fife nurse case.

I have some specific reasons why I've applied for anonymity and it's certainly different to a man wanting anonymity because he's worried of being 'outed' as a male.

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Tallisker · 09/01/2025 18:49

The Defra/SEEN claimant was denied anonymity too in November.

anyolddinosaur · 09/01/2025 18:33

Recent cases like the nurse in Fife have confirmed how difficult it is to get anonymity in these cases. I imagine your lawyers are well aware of all the kill terfs placards and the like and will be able to make a far better case than the Fife lawyers. I've donated in the past to help make that case and I'll be considering it again at the end of January.

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FayeRC · 09/01/2025 18:13

Happy new year, all!

I haven't heard back from the ET regarding the application for anonymity. Since they might decide on that at the second preliminary hearing which is scheduled for February, I need to start preparing for that hearing.

I have now responded to quite a lot of very detailed additional questions from the Respondent on how my PTSD impacts on my day to day activities. They already had five pages. Now they have another five. I'm hoping they agree to disability status.

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anyolddinosaur · 10/11/2024 09:53

Wonder if it will reach 11k today?

anyolddinosaur · 09/11/2024 21:32

It has got over 10k already. I've dug and will find a bigger spade if they grant anonymity.

BurrosTail · 07/11/2024 20:33

This might get to 10k over the weekend!

FarriersGirl · 07/11/2024 09:42

Thanks for the update I will get out into the garden later.🍄

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