"Men's clothes"

Of course there are men’s clothes and women’s clothes:

Men’s clothes = clothes cut to fit men.
Women’s clothes = clothes cut to fit women

Men and women have different body shapes so need clothes cut differently. Sometimes, especially for casual fit clothes, you can fit clothes cut for the opposite sex. And sometimes clothes are poorly cut. Unfortunately for women, clothes cut for women often seem to be made with thinner cheaper fabrics and less practical styles so we may choose to compromise cut for practicality.

Men wear women’s clothes specifically because they are women’s clothes not because of the style or fabric. If sparkly dresses and tiara was mainstream fashion for men they wouldn’t be interested in them.

It's another instance of TRAs false-teaming women's rights with the Conservative religious right who are totally opposed to women's right.

A man in a dress is not wearing women's clothes. He is wearing his own clothes. Izzard said this many years ago. There is no such thing as men's and women's clothes and the clothes you wear has no effect on what sex you are.

The Conservative religious right have just as much of a problem with women failing to perform femininity correctly as they do with men failing to perform masculinity correctly.

Therefore most people would either have no problem with the outfits of either side of the picture, or if sexist and stuck in the 50s they might have a problem with both. But this has no implications for people being prepared to lie about which sex someone is.

There's other similar idiot-memes with lots of pictures of the brilliant and talented rock stars of the 80s who smashed gender norms as if it's sonehow weird that we loved them and yet won't accept that a bloke is really an actual woman now. Smashing gender norms means that no one has to be constrained by the sexist rules any more. Insisting that there exists a way to "feel" male or female independent of the physical reality of ones body is intrinsically sexist.

I think there’s an important point here: I buy women’s clothes because they’re more likely to fit my build. But I’m often envious of the colours and styles that men can buy. Women’s clothes are often in stereotypical feminine colours, which I don’t want, and aren’t so practical. Even outdoor clothes and walking gear have this problem

Most younger women (in my fairly provincial city) the other day seemed to be wearing either those loose grey tracksuit style bottoms with a vest or crop top or looked like they’d come straight from the gym.

Either look wouldn’t work well on a typical male body, (as ‘Isla’ Bryson demonstrated so memorably), which I guess is why so many TWs seem to opt for an OTT interpretation of one of Laura Ashley’s off days that 99% of women wouldn’t be seen dead in.

I’m getting weird fetish vibes from the pic on the right…

They tend to be sewn on by hand by small children too. Avoid.

Many women including me like wearing dresses much of the time because we prefer the feel of the lighter fabrics and the colours. Please don't start campaigning against us. We enjoy it.
Many women will say - I wish my man would wear something other than dark blue or grey. Having clothes that fitted his body properly would be a bonus.

Interesting. Are we no longer allowed to swear?

I buy mens shorts (Jersey ones, not fitted) as they tend to be longer and have bigger pockets. So practical.

I never understand the concept of women'c clothes and men's clothes.

Men have worn garments cut like skirts and dresses throughout history (the Romans, the Scottish Kilt) and it is still the case in countries like Fiji, Greece...

Women have worn trousers in the UK since 1851.

As far as I am concerned people can wear whatever they like and that is never going to change their biological sex.

But they’re unlikely to be ‘men’s clothes’ if the wearer is a woman because they wouldn’t fit. We’re different shapes. They mean practical clothes worn by both sexes.

I suppose the ultimate practical clothing is leggings, jersey tops and trainers. Maybe track pants. Why don’t men wear leggings more? 🤔

Do women ever choose to wear impractical clothes that are traditionally male gendered?

Yes, that figure is a man LARPING not merely as female, but as a little girl.

There's a word for those men, what is it again, starts with p ...

Exactly, @MarieDeGournay.

As pp have said on this thread and others, wear what you like but it won't change your sex. Being a woman is not a costume or an idea in someone's head, it's a biological reality. A repressive one in far too many places and that's what makes woman face offensive.

When Eddie izzard was a man who liked dressing up I followed his humour, now he's decided it changes his reality enough to entitle him to use

womens's spaces I think he's lost the plot.

..and if you look closely, the little girl wearing the sparkly dress and white knee-socks has chest hair and a stubbly chin...

Are men in kilts in "womans clothes"?

Clothing is irrelevant... as long as its suitable for the occasion where what you want (I e don't wear a bikini to the office, or muddy work clothes to a posh wedding g reception, or underwear to a school...)

The clothes on the left used to be men’s clothes. But that was a really long time ago. I think women in the uk have been routinely wearing trousers since the Second World War. It was a bit daring before that, but very normal after.

The only reason men want to wear ‘women’s clothes’ is to be daring/attention seeking/boundary crossing. There can be no other motivation. If a man wants to wear a skirt he can wear sarongs, kilts etc. if he wants to wear heels there are heeled boots- cowboy boots and more. This isn’t about style and comfort.

Women choose trousers and hoodies for good practical reasons. There’s no practical reason for men to wear women’s clothes.

I'm a wee bit short myself but apparently long legged because regular length trousers are fine but frocks are too long. Maybe they're unisex now.

As in, a child's outfit. A juvenile female human.

I don't give a damn if a man wears a dress because he wants to feel the breeze around his knees. But it waves massive great red flags at me if a man wears a dress because he wants to look like a little girl.

It's not a woman's outfit, it's a girl's outfit.

I don't know any women that would wear the outfit on the right. Knee high white socks FFS. That's what offends me.

This comparison is never going to work because there's no such thing as "mens clothes". Women have co-opted them all.

Jeans, hoodies, trainers etc, all started out as mens clothes, but taken on by women because they're functional, which is entirely sensible. I read something a while back that even high heels can trace their roots back to a mens riding shoe!

It doesn't go the other way though because of toxic masculinity. I can see the appeal of a nice floaty skirt in hot weather, but I'm never going to wear one because I'd get the absolute piss ripped out of me!

Mens clothes have proper pockets.

Exactly. What drives the choice of clothing?