"Men's clothes"

The codpiece? That’s an interesting one- obviously hyper-masculine- but not in line with modern western ideas of straight masculinity, precisely because it’s such a peacock display.

top tip. because dancing around a pile of sporrans would look silly 😁

You move the sporran onto your side / hip when you are dancing or running .

I (female) had to wear a tie as part of my school uniform. All the secondary schools I've checked in my city mandate ties as a uniform item.

In the 80s I wore ties because they were a fashion item.

😁I just googled running with a sporran and etsy do a t-shirt that says 'never run with a heavy sporran.'

I think there might be questions if merkins were used for storage like sporrans.

A sporran’s just a merkin with a glow up.

It just occurs to me that it might be a tad uncomfortable to run with a sporran.

sporran😁

The only garment that’s still largely exclusively worn only by men now is the tie
Posing pouch? 😂

I wear ties! I dont know any men who do, I don’t think.

There’s a woman I follow on insta who regularly sports men’s suits- some vintage- she looks amazing but I’m 4’11” there’s no hope of me fitting any of the men’s suits I see in charity shops. Even boy waistcoats don’t look right. And I don’t even have waist/hips/boobs!

I wonder when that started because there are many times historically when mens' clothes were very much more luxurious and impractical, though that was confined to particular social classes.

The arts and crafts credo was for things to be beautiful or useful (preferably both).

The only garment that’s still largely exclusively worn only by men now is the tie. And that’s becoming less common. I think that says something about practicality and fashion- that really all the categories of clothing that exist for aesthetic rather than practical reasons are feminine, and all the categories that are primarily practical were originally masculine and are now unisex.

I have the stereotypical women's measurements, bust and hip are the same, waist is 10 inches less. Only problem is my waist size now is what my hip size was 30 years ago. 😂

I can wear men's clothes in stretch fabrics but I take into account that they are not generally designed to take into account a 10 inch difference between waist and hip.

'@KielderWater · Today 10:53
Of course there are men’s clothes and women’s clothes:
Men’s clothes = clothes cut to fit men.
Women’s clothes = clothes cut to fit women'

Again, I am going to disagree. I have on occasion bought joggers, tee shirts, caps, sweaters, trousers and shirts from the men's sections of several stores and charity shops.

I just get a small or medium size. I don't have a 'boyish' body shape but the clothes fit me fine.

gendered clothing is interesting (although obvs the picture in the tweet is simplistic and not the gotcha it thinks it is).

my sons would probably like some of the gendered aspects of women's clothing. they hate rough or heavy fabrics which men's clothes seem to run towards, so buying clothes that are soft enough so they'll actually wear them can be a challenge. it would be a lot easier if i could kit them out in soft cotton skirts for the summer, but I've got no interest in making their lives harder by dressing them in ways that are likely to attract ridicule from their peers.

I do think a lot of men would be happier if the gendered rules around men's clothing were loosened in the way women's have been.

Perhaps your son could learn to make or alter their own clothes, many great designers started that way.

@FearOfTheDucks I don't care if a man wants to wear a skirt. I do care when the motive for it is obviously fetishistic.

agree.
I remember during my first year of secondary school some classmates talking about buying 'bondage' trousers during the latter days of punk. It all seemed a bit daring and harmless to us then, what did we know about bondage? It was a childs' eye view of an adult fetish.

Now I know how childish naivety and curiosity gets exploited and the damage it can do I take a much more world weary view.

With my trans identified son, the one thing that really gets to me is that he is wearing clothes designed for a woman's body shape, so he then has to fill out the bust, which means wearing a bra to hold the falsies. If he could wear a dress actually designed for a man, it would be less jarring; and I suspect it would be less likely to feed the dysphoria that he now appears to experience. My fear is that he will feel more and more pressure to conform to "womanly" appearances, and that this will lead to oestrogen and possibly to surgery, all because he has never fitted comfortably into societal expectations. This is speculation on my part, because he has not been able to articulate what it is that has led him onto this path, but it is quite clear that there are now strong expectations for him to conform to a trans stereotype when he spent much of his life managing not to conform to social pressures. All of a sudden, he seems to have left his individuality behind along with some of his critical thinking, as he gets more and more embedded in a cult-like mindset.

I'm 61 and the left one is how I dress most of the time. I also wear slogan/ band t shirts etc. it's casual clothing.

I have no issue with anyone wearing anything tbf. My DGD wears football kit most of the time. Had never worn dresses etc. her body, her choice.

Re leggings...

Men wear them under shorts for sports. They call them "skins".

Leggings? Yeuch (on men and on women). There used to be some very practical but over-revealing "leggings" for outdoor pursuits use called Ron Hills. Men looked absolutely dreadful in them, but somehow they were fashionable in some circles. Revolting lightweight nylon things that never wore out and were quick to wash and dry.

I'm a woman who prefers skirts and dresses for comfort. My everyday outfits are probably more stereotypically feminine than most women here, I'd guess.

I still have a hoodie or two and comfy jogging bottoms in my wardrobe. I don't consider them men's clothes! Women have been wearing trousers for many decades now without it it being remarkable in the slightest. Advertisers don't help though, with labels like 'boyfriend jeans' or 'boy shorts' for garments cut for and marketed to women. As if clothing being skimpy and tight is inherently female and anything else is 'boyish'. (But not 'manly' I note. The discourse analysis on that could be interesting.)

I don't have white knee socks and sparkle-covered outfits, and haven't since I was literally a little girl. That's what makes the picture on the right creepy. I don't care if a man wants to wear a skirt. I do care when the motive for it is obviously fetishistic.

Brain, bleach, anyone?😂

I once asked a tailor why women's clothes were more expensive than men's equivalents, and he told me that a woman's tailored jacket had nearly twice as many separate pieces as a man's.

I've noticed that there's a trend for men's clothes to be more fitted over the waist and hips, and as they tend to have none of the latter, I have a couple of lovely shirts that fit perfectly down to the third-from-last button😡
It's OK, no need to send me thoughts, prayers and - I have coping strategies - I wear them open over t-shirts.

I think there are sequinned fabrics that are machine made but yes, complex sequin patterns are likely to be hand sewn and children in developing countries are cheaper than couturiers in Paris.

However, if adult women in developing countries can earn a living wage in that country as self employed seamstresses and tailors, that independence can be supported by micro loans. The factories, poorly built and without H&S as we know it, are an issue. There are such places in the UK too.

Many women and children pay a massive price for cheap disposable fashion.

mankini anyone?😂

You really see this on the Great British Sewing Bee made-to measure challenges. So much skill in dressmaking for curves.