What does Taylor Swift represent that makes men hate her enough to want to kill her fans?

Quite a few of these evil nut jobs kicking about.

It must be nice to be so blissfully naive.

I see some of his awful social media posts pop up and what his fans regurgitate but tbh I’ve not listened to what he says in detail so I don’t know.

But I’d always thought he advised his followers to improve themselves by going to the gym and making more money, rather than say ; developing emotional intelligence, exploring hobbies (outside of the gym) that make you smile, going to therapy if you need it (or engaging in therapeutic practices), reading widely, learning about other cultures, or how to cook a new cuisine etc

As I said I haven’t listened in detail but I’d say Irrespective of what he defines self improvement as it seems a lot of his followers are just taking from it “go to the gym and make more money”

Yeah I know a lot of women don’t seem to like the ones on the other extreme with the snowboarding /pub crawls type pics either which is fair enough and personally I’ve never dated someone like that either.

He worked regular hours. Either way, if he included ”sleep” in a list of things I’d just think ok fine not really what I’d call a hobby, but if it’s something he spends a lot of time doing and wanted to mention among other things that’s fine.

However this was our first chat (over a couple of days) and all he had to share about what he enjoyed doing was sleeping.🥱

No doubt he’d be compatible with someone else but definitely not me.

I don't think it's 'men' I think it's just one evil nut job isn't it.

Perhaps he works long hours - I am interested in more than just sleeping but I’m put off by the snowboarding/skiiing pics and the ones where men are holding up pints of different lagers because there’s nothing more boring to me than going on pub crawls.

Republican vice presidential nominee Sen. JD Vance’s criticism of prominent Democrats as “childless cat ladies” has unleashed fury among women, with many now reclaiming the age-old sexist trope as a call to action this election season.

In a 2021 interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, then-Senate-candidate Vance complained that the U.S. was being run by Democrats, corporate oligarchs and "a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too."

They are really scared of single women for some reason 🤷‍♀️

But I thought Andrew Tate was all about self improvement and being your best self physically and in career/ hobbies etc. that’s the bit that reels in so many young men and he does inspire them to develop… it’s just that the end goals are all wrong- money, controlling women, fame.

BUT it does say to me that young men are looking for role models and are interested in self improvement. If there were other more positive role models, then Tate might not be as popular.

Oh and another guy said he likes to get drunk with a bottle of wine in his own living room for his hobby 🥱But I have to say I appreciated the honesty, because I mean after I’ve shared all the stuff I’m interested in - theatre, reading, travel, sightseeing, eating out etc they could’ve easily nodded along and claimed to enjoy those things too like some men do to reel you in.

But it’s interesting some seemed surprised when I turned down a date and pointed out we didn’t seem compatible.

Maybe I have a high bar since most men in my family and my male friends have various hobbies and interests and are all self sufficient in that they can cook and keep a clean house, maintain friendships etc but I don’t think it should be exceptional for a man to have a bit about him beyond going to work and gym 😵‍💫

I agree with what a pp said -either on this thread or another I’ve read today - for too long a lot of men have got away with being very incomplete or undeveloped people. And this is why so many (not all) of them are angry at well-rounded women living their lives happily with out them. They’re bored and frustrated and want someone to blame. I wish they would channel that energy into improving themselves and nurturing the platonic relationships in their life.

@LoremIpsumCici "If I wanted to kill a bunch of blokes, I’d be going to a gaming convention…"

eek - please don't. Maybe my daughter and I are a minority, but I'd say at least 25% of folks at gaming conventions are female.

They aren't exactly doing anything to demonstrate that they're not, though - are they?

Fair enough 😂

no I don’t have his number!

I decided someone who had no interests outside of work other than sleeping probably wasn’t for me so I unmatched him 😬 but there’s someone for everyone clearly lol

It must on some level be about the energy and enthusiasm not centering a male. There's been years and years of boy bands touring to almost exclusively young, female audiences without this kind of reaction. I don't even think it's about the content of TS's songs (although of course it's a factor), I think she could get up and sing nursery rhymes it's the fact that she's female and everyone is there to see, celebrate and centre her as a woman that's the trigger.

She is clearly loathed by a minority of Islamic extremists who loathe female emancipation

Someone mentioned witch hunts, I found it really interesting that the main English witch hunts ceased because men started to become empathetic to the women and angry about the hunts. At the time many men were away from home doing war and other manly pursuits of the 14/1500s, and the incel like James 1 and Matthew Hopkins and others who hated women hunted them and targeted the ones largely with no man at home or in the family. Because the men were away from home women had taken on more of the physical homework duties and become more independent which didn't go down well and women had to be put back in their place and it wasn't until the men returned that it all stopped as they were not happy with what was going on with their women folk.

It's not all men but its always men though, and nothing has changed. Can't let those independent women get too big for their boots

It’s grim, but I think the male urge for control over the ‘mate-able’ female population is as old as the hills…

A few years ago there was an issue in a particular religious community, whereby young men would regularly barricade places of worship where it was known that a young woman was marrying ‘out’ of the community. They would gather in groups outside, being intimidating, with the aim of calling off the wedding. The slogan was, of course, that outsiders were ‘taking our girls’.

This is a community that has hugely embraced education and professional careers for both men and women, but still has very conservative views around marriage. So there is a big mismatch between whom/what a young woman might want and the conservative views of her parents or wider community.

An article came out in a women’s magazine, although it didn’t make the mainstream press. I remember asking my DH (who grew up in that community) what he thought and he said:
‘I think some of those men need to think about exactly what they are offering themselves.’

It depressing. Also note that many religious groupings prohibit or discourage marrying ‘out’. Is it to keep the faith alive or assure the supply of young women for men of that faith?

Did you get his number? That’s my hobby too.

Exactly.
See Madonna for example

The status quo or social contract used to be that all/most men could find someone to marry young with. Things have changed, they believe women are more picky and have careers and that has caused a divide between sought after men and ones who aren’t. These ‘aren’t ‘ men are angry about this.

With regard to TS, she has a bf right? She may settle down and have dc, there is nothing wrong with that, if she decides to.

Patriarchy chicken. I do this too I love it. And if a man tries to usher me on the bus before him (there's a difference between a man saying after you and ushering you ahead) I say no thanks and don't move. They fucking hate it you can see their brains malfunction.

Oh my god, I thought you were joking, but no!
I mean you’ve almost got to feel sorry for them, are they not embarrassed at how utterly pathetic they are?

I had to Google it too, it spells hoe if upside down on a calculator

And she has real power within the industry. Hard power that she weilds and lets everyone know it.

Taylor Swift said this week that she is not ready to talk about the last few weeks yet because her priority is to keep fans safe.

I’m expecting she will have much to say come December when the Eras tour draws to a close. It’s quite clear there is a high level of threat and she is number 1 target for these women hating misogynists.

Knowing her, she will struggle to stay quiet but she must feel so much responsibility to keep people safe. The December finish coincides with the election results… we’ll know either way who has won and it won’t be pretty for women either way. If Kamala wins all hell could break loose. She must have all of this weighing on her shoulders.

Completely. It’s a perfect example of people feeling frustrated and powerless and deciding to punch down which is sad. A tale as old as time unfortunately.