Public servant sued for saying sex is binary

this genuinely makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach.

I'll be paid next week so can contribute then.

Maybe we need a MN Fivver equivalent where we can perform some tasks for money that is diverted to a fighting fund. (I know, it can't happen because it would need committees and excellent governance but I can dream.)

In both of these cases, the employer isn't supporting them, which I think is shocking. I made a complaint when all this started about some of the vitriol aimed at SEEN members, but my complaint was dismissed. It was investigated by a she/her, so of course it wasn't upheld. It's an uphill battle for both Andreas and Elspeth.

Garden growing nicely 4,995 seeds planted.

This.

This. All these court cases that are won demonstrate the viciousness with which trans extremists attack others - especially women. It's long overdue for some of them to face the consequences of their harmful behaviour.

I agree.

People need to start raising grievances for those who put them through this sort of thing. It is bullying behaviour and when the case is thrown out it will be time to fight back. Will be getting the seeds out again.

I agree. I can't imagine it going very far (from what I've seen all comments are polite and fair) but what a total waste of time for all involved. Never mind the total disregard for anyone but the claimant's mental health.

They sue - not to win but to experiment with case law and get things in the books.

That’s how much money they have.

I think all the language needs to change.

GC beliefs are really scientific facts.

A trans woman is really a Trans identifying man. Ditto - Trans man.

Trans Rights are all ready in situ - they are looking for extra - we need the words for that. Someone smart will come up with it!

And so on.

Corporate needs to get out of all of this.

Kamala Harris, while good for world peace, will be terrible for American women.

A while back, there was a certain MNHQ staffer (now gone?) who mentioned that they would not always tolerate talk of 'carrots', 'seeds', or gardening…

It's one of the reasons that Aston web scraping is so odd. We've been constrained into various codes for years and you need to have interacted for some time to understand them, which is not what web scraping technology does.

I've named changed for this (I hope it's worked) but I saw the yammer threads and Andreas does not deserve this. He is a principled, decent human being so please, if you can, donate to help him fight the vexatious claims (and they are vexatious).

I’ve gardened, and I’m tagging in posters from the SEEN thread who mentioned they saw the Yammer threads, because Andreas seems to be being sued at least partly because of what he said on them.

@sunseeker100
@bumblesaurus
@Tallisker
@LK1972
@MyVisionsComeFromSoup
@Treemouser
@WomanWithoutNeedOfPrefix
@Pronounbegone

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Long overdue for them to be compelled to follow the Nolan Principles of Public Life to the letter if they want to work for state organisations.

Absolutely.

Oh god this brings back a kind of ptsd for me. The letter arriving, the accusation out of the blue, when all you’re doing is doing your job well and holding rational, scientific beliefs which are legal and not hate speech under the law.

So much for “bringing your whole self to work.”

Off to do some gardening.

Is there any detail on these cases on who the claimant is? Wondering if it's a known troublemaker.

I find it uncharacteristically hard to put into words just how much I despise these bullying, narcissistic claimants.

I might have to go and read Jo Bartosch on the non-binary dachshund again to calm down. thecritic.co.uk/the-curious-incident-of-the-dog-and-the-tribunal/

Have planted a couple of 🥕 🥕

Unbelievable that civil service employees are able to abuse the system like this? No wonder they attract so much criticism when they allow their personal niche beliefs to take up so much work time. Long overdue for them to be compelled to follow the Nolan Principles of Public Life to the letter if they want to work for state organisations.
Off to garden.

As someone said on another thread, this is becoming an expensive hobby. But these SEEN cases must be defended, for all of our sakes.
Will garden when funds are next available.

OMG I assumed the OP must be mixed up when I first saw this - unbelievable.

Have gardened. These complainants are utter bullies.

So sick of this nonsense. Why aren't the Civil Service and ALB seeing these cases for what they are? - relentless bullying and harassment of those with GC beliefs. To get to this stage I assume that both Elspeth and Andreas will already have been dragged through internal processes that they must have won.

The claimants should be being disciplined under their existing policies if they cannot work with someone who holds a different view to them and instead try to silence GC voices with the threat of disciplinary proceedings.

Donated to both crowdfunders and bumping this thread.

I can't understand why the system is such a mess.

Andreas says, about the first case brought against him, that the complaint pulled out at the last minute because you have to have the same employer as the respondent and they didn't. I mean, how basic is that? So much time and money had been wasted by that stage. I bet if they even had a law intern just giving the paperwork a once over before it progressed at all, that law student would have spotted that.

If the Post Office can do it for passport applications, it shouldn't be impossible for employment tribunals.

It very much looks that way!