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NZ - TW in sports

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FizzyLemons · 21/06/2024 04:27

The new NZ coalition government was supposed to be stopping funding to sports that allowed TW to compete as/against women. This badly written article states (I think) that they have decided to have another think about it.

This is particularly pertinent to me this week as my 17yo daughter plays high level netball for her school, in the top grade in our city, most other teams are adult. At their last game there was a player of questionable sex. I knew the Netball NZ rules are that men can play if they meet some criteria (I've just looked that up and it's unclear - in one place it says after surgery or with reduced testosterone, and next line says if they declare they are a woman). But this is the first time we've actually experienced it. Of course, we don't know for sure that this 6 foot 4, huge overweight person with broad shoulders and narrow hips and a manly face was a man. But it made for such an unfair game. One of our younger players got an 'accidental' fist to the face, and there were several incidents of players being knocked over. Netball is not a non-contact sport any more.

DD was very vocal to her team and coach after the game that it was a man, most other players didn't say anything. The coach said she thought it was probably a woman. I mentioned to a friend involved in netball who said she's pretty sure they 'used to be a man' (said with a shrug of the shoulders).

But what do you do?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/new-zealand-government-revises-status-on-transgender-athletes-in-community-sport/OO3XC4OGCNF65AWGX2HNUYSARE/

NZ - TW in sports
OP posts:
ActivePeony · 21/06/2024 07:36

It's disgusting OP. Your daughter sounds amazing. I have no idea what you can do in the face of such appalling misogyny - this issue will get worse no doubt.

Valeriekat · 21/06/2024 07:30

There are lots of women who aren't conventionally "feminine" in sport but it is still obvious that they are women.
If you think someone isn't a woman or a girl then they probably aren't.
Women getting injured in sport because of stronger male bodied people playing against them isn't fair.
Really difficult in NZ when the main media is so captured by TWAW ideology.

JustTalkToThem · 21/06/2024 07:15

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 21/06/2024 06:50

Are you just here to shame everyone who thinks outside your tiny misogynistic box? Is there an organised disruptor rota or can anyone join?
Chiding people for "making assumptions" by calling them "weird" seems like double standards, but you do you.

None of your conspiracies…

I'm just remembering a month or so ago when Mumsnet targeted a woman athlete for looking too manly in some photos.

Everyone was oh so sorry then and swore they would be more thoughtful in the future and yet here we are.

yes this could have been a trans woman. But similarly we have no proof of that.

has the op or her daughter made an actual complaint or just moaned to this people/internet boards.

Tinkerbot · 21/06/2024 07:07

I am in Scotland -I feel these small countries fall over themselves to be seen as a world leader in inclusiveness so the leaders can strut on the world stage and big themselves up -infuriating whilst the actual problems in their countries which are difficult to fix get hidden eg horrendous drug probs in Scotland and gang violence (or similar) in NZ.
They’ve small pops so hard for individuals to put their head above the parapet.

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 21/06/2024 06:50

JustTalkToThem · 21/06/2024 05:29

So does the group leadership know if this person is male? Are you/your daughter assuming?

We should not be making assumptions based on visuals or general characteristics. I know women that are …

“6 foot 4, huge overweight person with broad shoulders and narrow hips and a manly face”

I wouldn’t have used the term “huge” to describe anyone but it seems weird that you’re making accusations that you have no way of proving (unless of course you’re going through some formal process with the authorities?)

Are you just here to shame everyone who thinks outside your tiny misogynistic box? Is there an organised disruptor rota or can anyone join?
Chiding people for "making assumptions" by calling them "weird" seems like double standards, but you do you.

JustTalkToThem · 21/06/2024 05:29

So does the group leadership know if this person is male? Are you/your daughter assuming?

We should not be making assumptions based on visuals or general characteristics. I know women that are …

“6 foot 4, huge overweight person with broad shoulders and narrow hips and a manly face”

I wouldn’t have used the term “huge” to describe anyone but it seems weird that you’re making accusations that you have no way of proving (unless of course you’re going through some formal process with the authorities?)

teasmade22 · 21/06/2024 05:15

The trouble is that the government - any government - will only reflect what they perceive public opinion to be on this.

I am in NZ too and have been horrified by the use of the language 'anti-trans' in our media to describe those with feminist beliefs. I truly think the tide of public opinion is turning in NZ, but too many are afraid to speak up for fear of being accused of bigotry and hate. I work in education and am ashamed to say that makes me far less vocal than I would like to be for fear of violating our code of conduct. Private conversations with friends suggest to me that many feel the same way.

I'm not sure how we move forward, and as a mother of two girls it worries me.