Pride in primary school

Sure let's teach kids about trans issues in schools. Let's bring in Stonewall or whatever.

But also, you have to bring in GC feminists and conservative speakers to address the kids yes?

I imagine everyone is OK with an open debate where both sides get to make their arguments...

Yes, that’s fine.

What I am objecting to is not giving primary school children enough freedom from an adult impulse to introduce labels and fix them in a category as early as possible.

“Pride” itself is an adult idea that is becoming more extreme. Some lesbians, and gay men are distancing themselves from it. Starting children with “Baby Pride” to get them ready for adult versions of “Pride” is something they don’t need as a priority as part of school.

It is now an adult political agenda. The original need has been satisfied. It has gone beyond its original intentions and can now promote harmful ideas in teenagers’ and young people’s minds about their bodies and about no boundaries. Is it now supposed to be spread to primary school children?

I suspect this head has not caught up with the Cass review, and reforms to school teaching of PSHE.

This below was written by Dennis Kavanagh, who is head of The Gay Men’s Network, in Spiked magazine.

This year’s Pride Month has rarely seemed so pointless. After all, only the truly shameless in the LGBT activist set could feel any pride in 2024 – a year in which the rainbow-flag fliers’ betrayal of gay youngsters in the name of gender ideology was laid bare.

The publication of the Cass Review in April exposed the scandal of the NHS’s treatment of ‘gender confused’ kids. It showed how the NHS’s Gender Identity Development Services (GIDS) subjected troubled, often gay youngsters to life-altering hormones, drugs and treatments. Yet when these same-sex-attracted young people needed a gay movement, it failed them. Stonewall, its principal representative, actively cheered on those encouraging gay youngsters to believe they were born in the wrong body. Former Stonewall CEO Ruth Hunt even warned parents that half their gender-distressed children would commit suicide without puberty blockers. At the same time, leading sections of the gay movement turned on anyone questioning the trans agenda.

You won’t see any reflection on this betrayal of gays and lesbians during Pride Month. There will be no recognition that by embracing gender ideology, the gay-rights movement of today has undermined the gay rights of tomorrow. Instead, an unholy alliance of corporates, trade unions and parading gendercrats will spend weeks celebrating their supposed virtue, while remaining oblivious to the absurdity and growing unpopularity of the movement they represent.

Don’t let the ubiquitous Pride flag fool you over the coming weeks into thinking this is a successful movement. How strong can a ‘gay rights’ movement be if it has allowed its next generation to be chemically castrated? How strong can a movement be that has allowed lesbians like Kathleen Stock or Julie Bindel to be deplatformed, harassed and sacked for standing up to gender ideology?

The new ‘Progress Pride’ flag tells the story of the movement’s corruption. A new trans chevron makes an ugly incursion from the left, with an ‘intersex-inclusive’ purple circle placed on top of it (despite some intersex activists asking not to be included). This is more of a logo now and less of a flag. It symbolises the hostile takeover of the gay-rights movement by gender-identity ideology.

Pride was once our answer to shame. The riposte to being kicked out of your home for coming out. The retort to everyday incidents of homophobia, which are now thankfully a thing of the past in the UK and the West.

Today’s Pride is different. It is not a response to a sense of shame. It is a false pride born of shamelessness. A pride fuelled by the self-righteous embrace of the cause of trans rights. Think of Stonewall CEO Nancy Kelley calling lesbians ‘sexual racists’ in 2021 for not wanting to have sex with biological males. Think of those happily suppressing moderate gay voices for warning that ‘conversion-therapy bans’ simply criminalise ordinary therapy for gender-confused youth. Or how Stonewall did everything in its power to hound gender-critical barrister Allison Bailey out of a job.

Today’s Pride is different. It is not a response to a sense of shame. It is a false pride born of shamelessness. A pride fuelled by the self-righteous embrace of the cause of trans rights. Think of Stonewall CEO Nancy Kelley calling lesbians ‘sexual racists’ in 2021 for not wanting to have sex with biological males. Think of those happily suppressing moderate gay voices for warning that ‘conversion-therapy bans’ simply criminalise ordinary therapy for gender-confused youth. Or how Stonewall did everything in its power to hound gender-critical barrister Allison Bailey out of a job.

Pride, the holy month of the rainbow, is now a thoroughly rudderless affair. Its foolish embrace of the specious cause of trans rights has cost it dear. This increasingly silly party now takes place against the backdrop of a generation-defining medical scandal that Pride and its backers endorsed. Even Stonewall seems cowed. It certainly seems less keen to pronounce that transing a two-year-old is a good idea than it was just a few years ago.

Pride should parade its way into irrelevance. The gay-rights activism of the future will need to look very different.

Dennis Kavanagh is a director of Gay Men’s Network.

They won't shoot you if you don't go. Just don't go then.

Why did he laugh?

It was discussed in my eldest sixth class. They wrote a letter to Vicky Phelan - our school has always followed the children in their interests and supported them in engaging in development to be an active citizen.

99% of issues can be simplified and accessible at children’s level. As they get older then you bring more and more complexity . Think about war, younger children think ‘goodies, v ‘baddies’ as they get older they learn about the causes of war.

ASIam do a parade every year but to be support accessibility it is a ramble to the forest.

He says no while laughing his head off.

I was asked did other groups covered under the equality act there was an ascertain they weren’t. I simply gave one example of where other groups under the act are highlighted.

I really fail to see the scaremongering of your post. I have yet to hear any education setting doing as you have suggested.

I have shared just above what my ten year old has taken from lessons etc.

my ten year old would describe trans as someone who feels they were born in the wrong sex body.

We are not worthy.

But other people's "lived reality" (whatever that means) is different to yours. That is why people are voicing their concerns. Saying "I've not experienced that" doesn't mean that other people haven't. It's good to listen to other people's voices. It's also more inclusive amd diverse to listen to other people's voices than dismiss them because you haven't had the same experiences.

I find it interesting that often the people who push DEI initiatives are the least open to actual inclusively and diversity. They ironically think that their way of being inclusive is the ONLY way.

See we actually had actual ‘inclusion’ in the 70s.

We had a little girl in our tiny primary school who was paralysed from the neck down. We had peoples grannies come and talk about being blind. We had old soldiers come in to tell us about the war. We had police come in and yell at us (yes they really did yell that we shouldn’t press crossing buttons unless we were crossing the road - that left an impression as I still remember that!).

hell we even had catholics (kidding not kidding this was Glasgow in the 70s).

I did get shit because my mum was English though.

Now that would be something. More kids are being assessed for neurodiversity than ever before. Dementia is on the rise with an aging population. Are hidden and visible disabilities less important or worthy of acceptance than who people love and how they identify?

I dont believe children in primary school in ireland are being taught about the cervical cancer scandal.
It's far too complicated.

Show me one school having a parade for women or anything/ anyone else other than pride/ paddy's day.

Do they learn what trans is, yes.

Has your 16 year old learnt that some men experience sexual arousal when they think of themselves as their idea of a women and that transgressing women’s boundaries and requiring others to treat them as a woman heightens their arousal?

Women are only worthy of consideration in an historical context? Bet that did involve flags and fun activities for encouraging the girls in school.

It would also be interesting to know how many of those ‘invisible women in history’ were breaking the gendered conventions of the day (all of them?) such that they are being posthumously trans by gender ideologues. In light of your ‘trans’ teaching how many girls would be led to believe an interest in stereotypically male pursuits and the more practical clothing needed to pursue those pursuits means they are ‘actually boys’?

It could be ‘some people just wear what they like!’ to ‘of you like blue you are a boy and in the wrong body’. It depends on who is telling…

Do they learn what trans is, yes.

What do they teach them? Trans covers many things, including AGP, which isn't appropriate for children of primary school age.

Do they learn what trans is, yes. Have they learnt anything about a person history who was trans in women's week , no.
But there is no uncontested definition of what "trans" is so it is not enough to blithely say they learn what trans is. What definition are they using?

Eh - because we are parents and we have friends and family who are parents and teachers…

Eh no it doesn't, they do key events in history and learn about the women who weren't recorded in history. They learn about womens rights, they learnt about women's health issues discussed the cervical cancer scandal. Plenty of schools manage to do this. I am in the school system for over a decade.

Do they learn what trans is, yes. Have they learnt anything about a person history who was trans in women's week , no.

I find it difficult to imagine why people don't ask what are parents experience as opposed to being told what is happening. Because my lived reality isn't what it is proposed to be here.

Because when we have a ‘woman’ anything you can bet your boots there will be men in there. It’s a fucking joke.

What's the face for? It's an annual event in their school?

They also do a week or two about invisible women in history. So yes they do pay the same attention while respecting what format is most appropriate.

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