Pride in primary school

And while you are at it, you should learn about Sissy Porn

I recommend you listen to transwidows for their descriptions of their XH behaviour in the bedroom before coming to any conclusions.

Grayson Perry was very open about it.

I don't really believe this that it's a fetish in general

@OldCrone the pp asked was he aroused by xyz that was the response given. I further clarified his experience of a practical issue addressed by teens.

It appears when people don't give the answer in line with certain posters there is a script to infer well you haven't studied xyz have your read thread xyz.

I live in the real world without the interest in finding a "gotcha moment " that appears to be clearly the aim of posters here.

I shared my schools experiences in good faith but it is clear that there is literally a pile on on people who engage in good faith. I was aggressively queried did my school celebrate others under the equality act I responded positively but then there was the accusations that it was linked to an agenda.

I referred to my lived experience and was disrespectfully commented on. I would suggest perhaps that some posters time may be more productive by being more respectful to others.

My aim was to share my positive experience but I see now that doesn't suit the agenda. Thankfully I can return to my family and school community Pride celebrations .

It was a question, not a statement.

If you believe that people can be born in the wrong body (which even Stonewall have now backtracked from) then is someone like my disabled child born in the wrong body too? If not, please could you explain how you see it as different?

Why should I respect a male who gets aroused by thinking of himself as a woman and who invades women's spaces to use women as unwilling participants in his fetish?

You seemed to be implying that you didn't know anything about autogynephilia. If you're going to discuss these issues on here it might be better to understand what they are rather than stating opinions from a place of ignorance and refusing to learn. Because that sounds a bit bigoted.

This is a book about autogynephilia by a male with the condition.
https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf

And this is a discussion about the book.
https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/05/27/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies/

Have you actually read what I wrote.

He recognises what the trans person belief is and respects their right to that belief. He is sixteen and that is where he is now. I am 30+ years older and that is where I am also.

He isn't nor am I conducting a PhD thesis we are simply living in a world getting on with humans.

I don't need to study to know what my opinion is I have clearly stated it. And respectfully I seriously doubt the impartial opinions on forums here.

The response was to the question about getting aroused. As you would well know if you read the post I responded to.

But that doesn't fit your absolutely clear agenda. Stop lying about others posts, 🤬 🤬

He was part of the students committee that agreed the toilets were set in three categories - boys, girls and separate non gender single toilets for anyone who did not feel comfortable using the toilet of their sex. Amazingly when you speak to teens they have solutions and don't have the problems that are constantly on here.

That sounds like a great solution doesn't it? Women here have been suggesting this for years. Unfortunately the males who say they want to be women don't like solutions like this. They want to be validated as real women, and don't want to be 'othered' with third spaces.

Similarly there was recently a sporting event for trans athletes which was cancelled because the trans athletes didn't want a trans event.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received

Does your child understand that this is a personal belief though rather than an established fact?

@Marblessolveeverything
I have no idea what you are talking about.

In that case, it might be useful for you to read a few more threads on here to understand the issues a bit better. I can recommend this thread for people who are new to this issue.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

I actually asked the same question a couple of weeks ago on another thread. This is the reply I got from another poster.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5092904-sonia-sodha-in-the-observer-calling-out-labour?reply=135886784&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share&utm_source=copylink

Studying patients who had felt like women at all times for at least a year, Blanchard classified them according to whether they were attracted to men, women, both, or neither. He then compared these four groups regarding how many in each group reported a history of sexual arousal together with cross-dressing. 73% of the gynephilic, asexual, and bisexual groups said they did experience such feelings, but only 15% of the androphilic group did. He concluded that asexual, bisexual, and gynephilic transsexuals were motivated by erotic arousal to the thought or image of themself as a woman, and he coined the term autogynephilia to describe this.

The wikipedia page that this came from gives the following sources as references:

Lawrence, Anne (2013). Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Psychobiology_of_Transsexualism_and/wNDCEAAAQBAJ?hl=en

My son was laughing because he gives no fucks (his words) what gets anyone else "off" and finds the idea of a group of people who do as needing to "get out more" . And he isn't wrecking his head going down the wormholes in their thinking.

colour me shocked that a teenage boy has zero understanding or empathy about the effect on women and girls of men’s paraphilias

StormingNorman · Yesterday 07:44
I’m sure you are overthinking this in terms of sex education. Pride for children that age is surely just about understanding we love who we love and some families have two mums or two dads”

This, absolutely.

I am fine with them learning an adult who is trans believes they were born the wrong sex . Yes because that is literally what the person they know said when asked 🤷‍♀️

How did you get that from my post? Talk about a stretch!

I explained a person who is trans feels they were born in the wrong body as in the incorrect sex .

Because I am not expert I have no agenda I am simply trying to raise non biggotted adults. I haven't studied the information i am simply am trying to ensure my children are respectful of all human beings.

My son was laughing because he gives no fucks (his words) what gets anyone else "off" and finds the idea of a group of people who do as needing to "get out more" . And he isn't wrecking his head going down the wormholes in their thinking.

He was part of the students committee that agreed the toilets were set in three categories - boys, girls and separate non gender single toilets for anyone who did not feel comfortable using the toilet of their sex. Amazingly when you speak to teens they have solutions and don't have the problems that are constantly on here. Maybe it's because they are all of a small community and know eachother since aged 5 ? So they have navigated it with discussions, respect and by consensus,🤷‍♀️

Perhaps the issues are in public places versus a shared space of am already established group?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not doing a PhD in gender studies. And it isn't my job to know everything. As I tell them I can only share my opinion .

Was my disabled child "born in the wrong body"?

You're fine with children being taught they're in the wrong body? I think that's unnecessarily cruel, ghoulish and also incorrect. I hope nobody is teaching that! shocking

I am fine with my child being taught that is what a person means when they say trans.

That is what then trans person who is a member of our school community. 🤷‍♀️

“A large number” - statistics please.

And are you happy that your ten year old is being taught at school that a person can be born “in the wrong-sex body”?

Why haven't they taught them about this? A large number of older male heterosexual transitioners fall into this category. It's a pretty huge omission not to include this if you're teaching them about what trans is.

And what did he think was funny about it? Many of these men are married with children. It's not funny for their wives and children. The women and girls who find these men in their changing rooms don't usually think it's funny either.