Pride in primary school

I was wondering what changed with the MN moderation about AGP. I hadn't realised that it was down to a mainstream newspaper publishing something about it. This is an archive link to the Telegraph article in @DameMaud's post.

https://archive.is/3mOAw

It includes this paragraph:

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies.

MN could hardly claim that this is something we shouldn't discuss when it's set out like that in a national newspaper. Although that's from January last year and I think they were still deleting mentions of AGP earlier this year.

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@Marblessolveeverything
children understand adults who are trans feels they are in the wrong body. Adults, the same as I explain adults make decisions etc on religion or views on the world. My ten year old doesn't conceptualise it as a child issue.

That's something we can agree on. Trans is not a child issue. But are you really saying that you are unaware that there are now thousands of children identifying as trans?

I hope they'll be doing something equally fabulous for Gluttony month.

Thank you @Sloejelly, it is difficult to be sure though as I couldn’t open those links.

You do seem to have strong belief and who do not like other people who have different beliefs.

@Sloejelly they are providing information to raise a generation that are not ignorant of how to respect others.

I could easily say the same about faith schools. You have an issue with your children being informed and celebrating Pride then keep them home.

Meanwhile we are off to a fabulous BBQ and fashion show with a pitch and putt competition for the adults in celebration of Pride, I am sure that will scandalise my family.

This article?:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

Hoppity version here:
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2023.01.23-121645/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2023.01.23-121645/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

I should have explained that I meant, that from experience, mentioning AGP in a Mumsnet post, however politely, meant it could get deleted by moderators. I once wrote about it in connection with Debbie Hayton ( a well known man who lives as a woman, for anyone new to this). Debbie openly writes about AGP as a factor in their transition. Yet my post was deleted.

Then there was a sort of watershed when someone rather prominent ? I have forgotten their name) wrote about AGP very explicitly in a major newspaper. After that discussion seemed more open and permitted.

Trans activists did not want AGP tp be recognised as a factor in some men’s transgender presentation. Obviously it paints a different story from the idea of a child ‘born in the wrong body’.

children understand adults who are trans feels they are in the wrong body. Adults, the same as I explain adults make decisions etc on religion or views on the world. My ten year old doesn't conceptualise it as a child issue.

Which begs the question wtf is a primary school doing celebrating adult issues?

@Persianpuss thank you for understanding, my way to be able to help with the beautiful child who sadly is on significant pain relief constantly and is distressed when conscious is to never go to the what ifs because I don't think anyone of us could deal.

Perhaps because we feel so useless in helping them and fearful that we face what we never really appreciated, we naively always assumed we could always give comfort to our loved ones. That is something we learnt the hard way, and I found that so difficult to accept - honestly I don't think I ever will.

children understand adults who are trans feels they are in the wrong body. Adults, the same as I explain adults make decisions etc on religion or views on the world. My ten year old doesn't conceptualise it as a child issue.

I don't really understand your perspective that that's not a question you can allow your head to go to. But I guess everyone copes with these things in their own way.

I would gently suggest you read up a bit more about the damage that the idea that a child can be "born in the wrong body" can do. Even Mermaids and Stonewall, who are the biggest pushers of gender ideology, have backtracked from using that phrase.

There is also plenty of peer-reviewed scientific evidence that there is no such thing as a female brain in a male body and vice versa https://www.transgendertrend.com/born-in-the-wrong-body/

I understand that you're coming from the perspective of wanting to be kind and inclusive but it is important to look past the surface on these things and question whether what you've been told is actually true and, worse, creating significant harm to children that don't conform to rigid sex stereotypes.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but since you have, yet again, completely misunderstood (deliberately perhaps?) what I've been saying, I'll try once more.

Remove your post or have it reported because it is clearly states he disrespectful of women and girls. It implies he laughed at that, I clearly stated he did not. That he laughed at them being threatened or disrespected.

Try reading my posts again. That's not what I said. I'll repeat my exact words:

I can easily imagine a 16-year-old boy laughing on being told that some men get aroused at the thought of themselves as women.

How does this "clearly state" that he is disrespectful of women and girls? And where did I say that he laughed at this? It seemed quite clear from your post that he found the idea of a man becoming aroused at the thought of himself as a woman was ridiculous and laughable. A lot of people must have the same reaction. But being a teenage boy it probably didn't cross his mind that these fetishists would be invading women's spaces and making the women feel uncomfortable and unsafe. I never suggested that he was laughing at the female victims of these men.

I think another poster (not me) suggested that his reaction was disrespectful to women and girls. I doubt the fact that there were female victims of these men crossed his mind, and that he was just laughing at the absurdity of men getting off on pretending to be women (because, let's face it, it is ridiculous).

So please stop accusing me of saying things I haven't said.

Inaccurate quoting of others posting is covered in the guidelines.

Yes. Please desist.

🤣🤣🤣so the sex of your children validates an opinion. None of your business, my collective children attend the same schools and shared the same experience.

I clearly stated that I shared his experience in navigating the usual toilets issue raised. I am discussing children's experiences in schools were Pride is celebrated.

How on earth could a child have an adults perspective?

Again you claim to know what I ordered my school teach. I suggest you reread the several posts where I have clearly stated what is taught.

I am basing my opinion on my experience as is my children.

I suggest you read my post on his school approach to this issue.

To have them tormented, eh no thanks

Given the ridiculous way his response was treated I won't be asking him anything.

What’s the T for then?

Do you have any daughters?

So you're basing your opinion on the one sided nonsense your DS is being exposed to in school. That’s not exactly great parenting. If my child came home from school and said they’d been taught that people think its great to cut off healthy body parts like penises because boys who didn’t play with trains when they were toddlers must really be girls, Id be straight onto the school to challenge this nonsense. Queer theory is extremely misogynistic, homophobic and downright dangerous.

You really should do a bit of reading up here.

Have you not heard about Transwidows?
Here’s just one of the many threads on MN
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3471122-trans-widows-escape-committee-2-the-trans-widows-strike-back?page=15&reply=87728323

Ask him if he's ok with girls who claim to be boys coming into his toilets when he's stood at the urinal with his penis on show. Or joining him in the changing rooms for swimming.
Ask him if he thinks rapists should be locked up with vulnerable women in prisons?

So your 10 year old has been indoctrinated - people are never ‘born in the wrong body’.