Pride in primary school

You say “they” as if the modern LGBTQ+whatever people are the exact same people as the gay and lesbian movement in the late 1970s. Many of the activist figures from the 1970s are elderly or dead. (Harvey Milk was assassinated a few months after the rainbow flag debuted, and AIDS killed off many of the men.) And most of the modern people were either children or not yet born in the 1970s.

Movements change, for better or for worse.

I was being careful. I particularly dislike the'progress' flag which suggests allowing men in women's spaces to indulge their fetish is progressive.

Yes it was at a Pride march quite a few years ago. In Brighton I think.

What is that?! Was that a real event, with real police?!

It is, but this particular fetish is often not viewed as having actual victims. Transvestism (which AGP is an extreme version of) has often been seen as harmless, as this article in the Guardian from a few years ago shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/03/my-life-in-sex

I bought my first pair of knickers in January. Within a month, I was wearing knickers and tights under my clothes almost all the time. My partner of 20 years has embraced this wholeheartedly. Sometimes we go shopping together. I let the sales ladies know I am shopping for myself. As I pay, I smile and wink, as if to say, “I am enjoying this even if you aren’t.”

But the guardian editors being (presumably) adults, should have realised that what they were portraying as a humorous, titillating story was really about sexual abuse of the non-consenting shop assistant who was being forced to participate in this man's fetish.

Unfortunately, even if by simple chance, they are everywhere, truly everywhere, in children’s things in a way they were not before.

Interesting history. The rainbow is the Old Testament symbol of peace between God and humanity, of course, as well as having resonance in American Native mythology - rainbows are world wide.

There is no existing evidence that a rainbow was chosen “to draw in children.” The original rainbow flags were flown in San Francisco in June 1978. At the time, the San Francisco gay community was busy fighting California Proposition 6 (the Briggs Initiative), which was seeking to ban gays and lesbians from working in public schools. They were focused on demonstrating that they were normal adults who were able to be around children without trying to “recruit” them into any kind of sexual “lifestyle.”

If you want the history behind “why a rainbow”:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT)

We were told - 16. Old enough to know that many of the ways men “get off” are criminal offences due to the intense harms they inflict on women and children.

My son was laughing because he gives no fucks (his words) what gets anyone else "off" and finds the idea of a group of people who do as needing to "get out more"

How old is your son, @Theeyeballsinthesky

Exactly. Though its origins is a political protest group and many still consider it such. That would make it unlawful for schools in the UK to support.

In my experience gay, lesbian and bisexual people vary hugely in what they think of Pride, and in fact their views on many issues that are associated with gay rights. The number of real shared views are quite slim.

Pride is much more united by a particular social and political worldview. It really is much more like a quasi-religious ideological group. And should be treated as such.

As a bisexual woman I wouldn't allow my child to attend.

There is no reason to promote pride in primary school (or high school)

As a side note I think it's time for the "Pride" movement to find another flag. The rainbow is an image particularly attractive to children and it is something they love to draw. I have always been uncomfortable with it being coopted to represent homosexuality. Was that done on purpose to draw in children? I don't know, but having rainbow flags bedecking schools makes the ideology seem more harmless than it really is.

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Does your child understand that this is a personal belief though rather than an established fact?”

As is religion, which is hand in hand with the state.

What’s the difference?

I’m agreeing! 100%

If this is what Pride looks like I don't want my children to have anything to do with it.

Not sure why you're quoting me as you seem to be in agreement. Yes, I was also fighting for acceptance and rights which is why I hate this fake "inclusion " which is anything but.

I’ll take that as a yes - girls and boys can never share the same perspectives when it comes to safety.

It is all right,
OldCrone · Today 13:59
put up an archive link, but thank you.

Ah. Sorry Scrolling. I'll see if anyone has managed ti re-link below- and if not I'll try again🤞

What the hell?

Some of us were actually ‘fighting the fight’ back in the day when it actually mattered. There wasn’t gay marriage, gay partners didn’t get a say in medical treatment should their partner be incapacitated, gay partner wouldn’t automatically get a pension if their partner predeceased them, no comeback of you got fired for being gay…

Some of us got abuse and harassed. Some of us took risks. Some of us actually got off our rainbow arses and stood up to get ‘rights’ (NOT wants).

We didn’t do this so kiddies could be told they were born in the ‘wrong body’ (what the hell doss that even mean?), to have PIE slogans resurrected and chanted at them, have furries/ rubber doggies / men in baby dolls / rainbow butt monkies prance about at ‘family friendly’ events, or drag queens ‘sashaaaaying’ in toddler groups - exposing our kids to content way beyond their understanding and age. Or for bloody flags everywhere - banks, building sites, all along regent street, tv, apps, cosmetics… even on packs of cat treats.

What is the point of Pride?

Thank you very much for the link.

Yes, it is difficult to be sure how much changed immediately after this article about the link between men who see themselves as women and AGP came out, but as I remember, so many people then mentioned AGP
on the very thread containing this article, that as MN had no real grounds for deleting the article itself, everyone’s comments were allowed that day.

Then it became easier to mention AGP by by bit.

You have an issue with your children being informed and celebrating Pride then keep them home.
Yet more proof that this has zero to do with inclusion. Stay at home if you're not prepared to agree with our religion. 🙄