Testosterone gives transmen incontinence, bladder & bowel problems

Yes he complains about his bum hurting for days afterwards. He’s been diabetic since he was young and used to needles and still not allowed.

A friend who had previously been my brother's school year transitioned a number of years prior. And my brother was very heavy immersed in early social media.

This seems to be the case in every case I know of someone under 40 years of age.

Good analogy, SirAlfred.

Coming back to viques's point, it seems unbelievable that, given that maternity care as a rule is so obsessed with the health of the baby, with multiple antenatal checks, exhortations not to smoke, drink, eat soft cheese and so on, when it comes to testosterone apparently no one cares about what the impact on the baby might be.

Surely this is the equivalent of putting petrol in a diesel car, or vice versa, and expecting it all to be alright really - except we're talking about human beings here and not just replaceable inanimate chunks of metal.

Both fuels basically do the same thing - and they each work brilliantly and efficiently in the correct context - and they both have a great deal in common in their chemical formulation... but everybody knows what happens if you mix them up, which is why absolutely nobody ever pumps in the wrong one on purpose.

Why are we deliberately choosing to ignore basic common sense? Why are we actively and wilfully subjecting precious human bodies to something that we would lament if we realised we'd accidentally done it to a 16yo hatchback worth a few hundred quid?

Meant to tag you @Crumpleton

No it wasn't happening when your children (and mine) were in school.

My now 30yo dd has said she's glad she was born when she was, as it's likely that she would have gone down that route with current messaging, as she was an autistic tomboy.

Never when I, or my DC, albeit in their early 30's now, had ever mentioned to me that school were having discussions on anything to do with changing gender.
When I wasn't in school uniform I grew up living in jeans/T shirts and a bomber jacket, one of many local Tom Boys...
But not once did it occur to me, or my parents, I wasn't a girl.

You can't legally smoke/drink until your 18 so why anyone would think it's acceptable to be able to let young children have access to beta blockers and hormones that aren't designed for them is unthinkable.

No apologies either to parents that have allowed it to happen.
I know if it had been my DC I'd have acted in the way a PP has mention.

Ultimately talking a child into changing gender is not something a school or any professional should get a say in.

As an aside, I tried to find the original story for this and failed ( I think it was a Freddie M story, say no more) but what struck me in my google search was that nearly every single story or report that came up as a result of searching transman / pregnancy/ issues seemed to be almost entirely focussed on the trans person’s mental distress and increased body dysphoria. My first thought was “ Well, no shit Sherlock”, which I accept was mean, but my second thought was , “Hold on, shouldn’t there be some referenced research to the baby, the baby’s health, the baby’s development in early years and beyond? “ but no, there is pretty much none that I could see.

Seems the baby and any concerns as to the possible future health of the baby through exposure to its parents medication is mere collateral damage in comparison to concerns about the trans persons feelings and needs. One story I read was of a transman who became pregnant only two months after stopping taking testosterone. Two monthsIs ! Is anyone monitoring how long this stuff stays in the body, how it affects eggs, foetal development, duration of the pregnancy, the placenta? It seems not.

School and social media.

I admit to not knowing anyone among my, or my DC's friends/family that are trans, but I have often wondered who plants the seed in a young/person's head that makes them question their gender in the first place.

Two reports:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21114766/

https://www.businessinsider.com/testosterone-gel-toddler-puberty-early-2022-06

I understand that a very low dose of testosterone is prescribed to replace the tiny amounts normally produced by women from the ovaries.

Testosterone is potent stuff, and anyone using the gel form needs to be careful - the Government issued a warning after a baby developed signs of puberty when the father, who was using the medication, didn’t wash his hands properly. Here’s the official advice
https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/topical-testosterone-testogel-risk-of-harm-to-children-following-accidental-exposure

Look up Exulansic on Twitter and Odyssee.

Some effects include:

• obesity
• osteoporsis
• joint and nerve degeneracy
• cognitive impairment
• micropenis
• anorgasmia
• depression

I have read that the needle used for T injections is much larger than the norm because it is intramuscular, which is why it needs to be done by a specialist nurse. And that it is very painful. So yes it is a dereliction of duty that medical professionals in the US are allowing teen girls to do it to themselves.

They are risking all sorts of horrible sharps injuries by doing so.

I have seen heartrending vlogs by teen girls confessing that it takes them a whole day of dread, procrastination and fear before they can bring themselves to inject themselves with T, because it's so hard and hurts so much.

My heart breaks to think of the level of self-hatred it must therefore take to do it weekly. And how this time could be better spent on healing their mental distress.

Thank you for posting this. Gruffin's story is horrific. Clearly a mentally unwell and vulnerable child from the off, she was tipped onto the trans pathway when she was still a minor and clearly was obsessed by the idea that it would solve all her problems. Doubled down aggressively on trans ideology when people online started to question whether this was the right path for her. Now she is staring down the barrell of a no doubt vastly shortened life expectancy, in constant pain and alone. Gruffin makes me want to cry.

Letting people change their NHS number is daft in the extreme.

Even if this was reported to central cancer monitoring groups the NHS allows these female patients to change their NHS numbers so it's reasonable to assume the majority are reported as liver cancers in males. The younger age cohort might prompt further investigation but the sex-based aspect will be masked by trans-inclusive practices in the NHS. 😞

The closest example I can think of were the first anti-virals to treat HIV.

The clinical studies for AZT were, iirc, terminated early because it was becoming clear that AZT worked. Campaigners wanted everyone who needed them to be given the drugs, so pushed for early approval at FDA etc. They kicked up a huge fuss in the USA.

Then sometime later, the pattern of side effects of AZT and similar became the subject of lawsuits from the same campaigners who insisted the drugs be approved early without finishing the clinical trials (which would have included gathering safety data including side effects).

This wouldn’t happen nowadays because FDA and EMA and others have better processes and clinical trial designs have evolved to allow more “open label extension” arms, which means once you complete the controlled part of the study, all patients are put on the drug - you still gather safety information and the patient continues to receive the medication until the drug gets approved. And approval processes have gone from several years to about 10 months now (even quicker for urgent need like Covid vaccines), in part due to the HIV crisis showing up the poor ability of agencies like FDA to respond promptly in medical emergencies.

if anyone is interested in this area, Google the history of PDUFA. In Europe, the EMA was set up around the same time to similar effect. It basically created my profession.

I remember reading that transmen who become pregnant have smaller babies, and that the babies often have to be delivered early because inadequate placentas fail to supply sufficient nutrients to the foetus. And that is just known problems with the pregnancy, goodness knows the effect on the children in later life.

It's hard to know for sure where the cancer started. By the time it was discovered, it was in the liver, lung and several different bones. There's been radiotherapy, chemo, immune therapy and now a new form of chemo. But none of it is curative--just trying to buy time.

Anyone who hasn't read Abigail Shriers book Irreversable Damage, about the trans movement in America, I would highly recommend it, and would highly recommend it to youngsters, particularly girls, who are considering transition.
It's a big eye opener

Sadly that is the nature of mental illness, and why it is such a cruel condition. When my son first became unwell, any attempt to deny his delusions or get him to realise he was ill would be met with extreme anger and denial. We were simply absorbed into his illness, becoming another enemy intent on hurting him. But in our case, he was hospitalised so he could receive the care he needed.

We are rightfully horrified when we look back at how mentally ill people were treated in the past. I can only imagine in 100 years from now this point in history will be judged the same.

I haven't read the Sharron Davies book, but I just googled the effect of testosterone on female Eastern European athletes, and it's incredibly sad - terrifying, in fact. I don't understand how doctors are now blithely dishing these hormones out to mentally disturbed young women.

https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2019/11/07/ex-east-german-athletes-struggle-with-health-problems-due-to-the-consequences-of-ped-taking/

I didn't do it so don't know what the dose would be. I just didn't want to do it, didn't do any HRT.

I agree and I find it incredible that anyone would think its a good, healthy idea.

Replacing missing hormones necessary for life: insulin, cortisol etc = good

Over riding healthy levels of naturally occurring hormones with synthetic cross sex hormones because you want to change your appearance = a really stupid idea for long term health.

I don't think its any accident that cross sex hormone medication and surgery has grown from the USA where its all about money rather than actual healthcare.