Testosterone gives transmen incontinence, bladder & bowel problems

The WPath leaks discussed a cancer case in a young female transitioner on testosterone that the clinician admitted probably was a result of testosterone.

have you read it? Happy to link up the thread with the document and other links too if you have not.

And that's the best outcome. In the increasingly plausible 2044, women under the age of 16 will believe that we've always lived in Gilead

It’s already happening that young people have zero comprehension of how things were 30 years ago. I can totally understand how brainwashing works. I had a conversation with an 18 year-old the other day who was having issues with a furry at his college who had reported him for not referring to her as “it”. When I told him that trans was a very recent fashion trend and back when I was at school nobody was trans or non-binary he looked at me like I was a bit naïve and said something along the lines of they were probably all just in the closet. He wasn’t being judgmental but he had clearly had it drummed into him that “trans has always existed but people are so much more accepting now than in the nasty 70s”. It was really hard to explain that it literally wasn’t a thing even in a closeted hidden way and that zero children were identifying as the opposite sex.

no one yet to tell us this is all a confected panic about nothing? Why is that then?

Are there other treatments where the patients, their families, the organisations that were created to represent them and the clinicians who treated them were so resistant to research into the effects of medication?

Stephen Whittle for example, has actively campaigned for trans people to write to their care providers and withhold their consent for any research.

How can there be larger studies when the patient group is so resistant to any kind of investigation?

How can they have truly informed consent without them?

I hadn't heard about the increased cancer risk. Do you know of any links to related articles?

My sister transitioned around 5 years ago and now has stage 4 cancer. Everyone insists that it isn't related to the testosterone, but it's hard not to wonder.

It's 2044.

We finally have a public inquiry. It's led by Ben Cooper who has come out of retirement.

The NHS is asked questions about why these unevidenced treatments were delivered. They don't remember.

Fade to black and plus ça change.

And that's the best outcome. In the increasingly plausible 2044, women under the age of 16 will believe that we've always lived in Gilead, Under His Eye, and in this best of all possible worlds we can all be wherever we want on the gender spectrum now that sex has been disproved as a concept.

Many of us will cease to be part of the becardiganed monolith and be seen walking alone, mumbling to ourselves, in an actual or drug-induced gulag. Because whatever is happening culturally, you can be sure that hysterical women are at the heart of it and they just need the soothing balm of male intellect, some compulsory education or some reality-rearranging drugs to be coerced able to live with it.

NB: I've lightly adapted this from the dystopia about the NHS Trust instructing nurses to change with whomever self-identifies into their changing room. It's currently striking me as flexible enough to cover much of public life and public services.

But it has been well known since those poor East German female athletes all suffered terribly and died prematurely due to being given testosterone. As pp said, it is all in Sharron Davis' book.
Look at the cardiac and stroke risk in young men who take oestrogen. The risk of sight loss. It is horrendous. It is much more well known in USA.

In years to come, people will be reading about this appalling, irresponsible experiment with utter disbelief.

This is sickening to read. Healthy girls and women mutilating their bodies with the blessing of our medical profession. Makes me so angry. We also know that early menopause can put you at an increased risk of cancers and osteoporosis amongst other problems. My daughter never learned about this on her various online groups but was given plenty of advice on removing her breasts and uterus when she was a mixed up, anxious 16 year old. I made sure to give her the facts though!

IT’S SO BLOODY FUCKING OBVIOUS! NO ONE WHO TRAINED AS A DOCTOR CAN PRETEND THEY COULDN’T GUESS TESTOSTERONE WOULD DAMAGE FEMALE BODIES!

Sorry to shout. It was that or start screaming and smashing furniture.

It has always been so bloody obvious. It doesn’t even require specialist medical knowledge — anyone could have guessed. Medical experimentation on uninformed adolescents.

God, I can’t wait for the lawsuits to start pouring in.

Thank you, Rethinking. It all just feels like one massive unregulated experiment. "I wonder what would happen if we gave young women huge quantities of a male hormone?" "Dunno, let's just do it and see how it turns out."

Some more technical information here: https://www.breastcanceruk.org.uk/resource-for-transgender-people/

Thanks, OldCrone - I was just reading that bit! Had a sudden thought of "why don't I read the article before commenting".

This is what it says in the article:
Taking testosterone may accelerate the menopausal process because it stops the ovaries from functioning and reduces the amount of oestrogen the body produces.

Sorry for my ignorance, but does taking testosterone automatically deplete your levels of oestrogen?

And osteoporosis, vaginal atrophy (look up the symptoms) and increased risk of uterine cancer.
This has been known for years. Yet the TRAs don't care.

Hoping news of the adult review is announced soon.

Elaine miller did talk about this. A while ago , not sure if it was on a podcast

these are very young women it’s a disgrace. I bet no one said to them you will be incontinent

Bastards! Bloody bastards.

I expect health professionals to be above reproach. Fuck knows why I expect this as they continually prove me wrong!

It's a very good indication that a larger study on the topic deserves funding!

As PPs highlight, we'd be usefully better-informed had the adult clinics in the NHS cooperated with the York review team for the Cass Review.

Kudos to the researchers doing the research. I wonder if they’ve been advised to avoid using public transport.

Checking out the actual article (thanks for the link @AnotherAngryAcademic) there are problems with methodology.

1. small sample size of 68

2. "Volunteers" i.e.people who answered a web request to participate. That's not a random subset of the group 'transmen.' Together with the small sample size, that's not good.

That said, the results are not at all surprising. So, just to take an example at random, if, let's say, you wanted the study to be strong enough for inclusion in the Cass review, you'd replicate it with a larger, random sample to see whether the results hold up.

Given how hard it's been to get funding for any research on trans issues, I suspect the problem was the researchers just had to start somewhere. It's a very good indication that a larger study on the topic deserves funding!

So called trans allies where are you?

These are the people you purport to care about?

Pronoun people, why aren't you raging about this and fighting for the acceptance of non-medicalised transition?

We humans are just so fallible to image. You can't blink without seeing a freshly transitioned transman in the media. Excellent arm muscles that regular women can only dream of; neat scars instead of irritating tits that get in the way and attract the wrong kind of male attention; pretty boy good looks but with stubble. They're like the non threatening boy next door. How long does that image last I wonder?