Testosterone gives transmen incontinence, bladder & bowel problems

I was just trying to be glass-half-full for once 😂

I don't think they will. It has already dropped off the agenda.

It has all gone very quiet on the Cass report.

Indeed, they couldn’t care less about trans-identified women. They use the very thing these women are so distressed about to try and erase the reality of the female body. They tell them how much luckier they are because testosterone causes more harmful and irreversible changes than oestrogen. They deny the violence, rape and cruelty inflicted on these women whilst constantly positioning themselves as the most oppressed and mistreated minority in existence. And then they laugh at them because the surgery to create a penis is so much more barbaric and crude than anything they will ever be put through. (Not that many of them actually do remove their penises of course!)

Agreed. See also:

I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO KIDS IF WE STOPPED THEM GOING THROUGH PUBERTY AND PUT THEM ON ARTIFICIAL HORMONES TO APPROXIMATE THE LEVELS THEY'D HAVE IF THEY WERE THE OPPOSITE SEX?

Labour. Sensible. Bit of an early start on the grog, isn't it?

Presumably if there is an increased cancer risk this will become evident when they are able to do the follow up analysis on the adult Tavistock patients. Hopefully Labour will be sensible enough to continue to pursue this if they win the election.

Sadly, on this board we have have numerous male people with trans identities who show that they can only ever support all supposed ‘gender affirming’ treatment. Because to acknowledge that it is more brutal to the female body means they have to acknowledge that feminists have a point, that they themselves are not female sexed, and that their repeated come backs of them not having brutal side effects means that they are self absorbed male people who are only activating for male people and yet, keep identifying that they are feminists.

I don’t think they ever failed to realise, just to care

I have no doubt that the AGPs pushing for this mutilation (but never once considering harming their own bodies in such a way!) will do everything in their power to prevent such research being undertaken.

What will they do when they can no longer hide behind mentally ill children and young people?

I fail to understand why anyone is surprised about this. Introducing alien substances into the body will surely have detrimental effects
Hasn't anyone actually realised this?

This is a very good point. It's even worse than not knowing. They knew, and they did it anyway.

We see the same dynamic at work in the infected blood scandal - they knew that children would die and they gave them the infected blood anyway.

Always a mistake to assume that all doctors act in the best interest of their patients.

Thank you I must take a look. I can only hope the cass report is the first step towards the medical class finally recognising the harm they are inflicting on these vulnerable people.

Another paper here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868281/

'Cases of presumably hormone-related malignancies in transwomen diagnosed after the initiation of medical or surgical gender affirmation include carcinomas of the breast and prostate, prolactinomas, and meningiomas (16, 38–63). In transmen, published case reports describe cancers of the breast, ovaries, cervix, vagina, and endometrium'

Again, though, the data looks quite scant.

'Based on the available evidence, the concerns about cancer in transgender populations, albeit biologically plausible, are neither adequately supported nor convincingly alleviated because of a lack of well-designed epidemiologic studies. This lack of high-quality data is acknowledged in the current guidelines issued by various professional organizations'

I’m so sorry to you, and to your sister who was so horrible failed when she needed help.

It’s one of the most brutal and barbaric things they do to transgender-identified people in my opinion, and that is really saying something:

Take a mentally ill young women. Strip the flesh from her arm to form an unfeeling lump of flesh to sew to her groin. Leave her with endless urinary infections, incontinence and debilitating chronic pain. Burn away her vagina and sew up the wound. Peel the skin from her clitoris to hide that too. Leave her unable to orgasm or feel a partner’s loving touch. Tell her that her defective female body has been fixed and send her off to begin her new happy life.

It breaks my heart. I tried to explain the terrible consequences to a young woman who identifies as a transman. She is so convinced that it is the only thing that will make her happy that she says she will accept every single consequence of it. I don’t think there is anything one could do or say to dissuade her. She admits that her mother is desperately fearful.

Somebody so unwell needs to be protected from themselves, not encouraged. I think about my son, he suffers schizophrenia and that is heart breaking as it is. Thank goodness the doctors and nurses who care for him don’t encourage him to keep digging the government implants out of his body or let him roam the streets confused, scared and in danger. I can’t imagine how the parents of these young woman must feel, seeing their children descend into mental illness with no recourse to step in and help them.

I'm really sorry to hear about your sister.

I am not up to speed on cancer risk; a quick look seems to suggest the problem is lack of evidence and research:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10577612/

First do no harm eh?

There was a great podcast with Mia Hughes (who wrote the WPATH files) on lobotomy recently and the parallels with gender medicine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9XNHh-NZmlo&t=1768s&pp=ygUTTG9ib3RvbXkgbWlhIGh1Z2hlcw%3D%3D

Except you could create reasonable hypotheses about what may happen. It’s not like no-one could foresee there would likely be serious health implications and what some of those may be.

I see this with my kids too. I tell them otherwise but they don't necessarily believe me.

But it's not a new phenomena. You see the same thing about sexual behaviour and sexuality - people under a certain age will say, totally believing it, that current sexual categories and behaviours are consistent across time and cultures, which is clearly untrue.

As an example - my partner is not from here, and where he grew up as a young man, oral sex was pretty much unheard of. It never occurred to him that it was something regular people did or expected until he moved here as a young man. I mentioned this in passing to my sister - and she was shocked. In part because the sexual culture where he grew up isn't particularly restrictive or prudish, on the contrary some would consider it permissive. But she also assumed that this was just something people had always done, and claims otherwise were controlling lies.

I see the same thing now with younger people and anal sex. Or people not believing that there are cultures with pretty much zero incidence of homosexual behaviour, to the point it isn't even a taboo.

We all tend to believe that the way we think and feel is more universal than it often is.

Any woman who has started peri has a serious lesson about how every cell of women's bodies needs oestrogen.

Sleep? Joints? Mood? Being continent? It's a harsh lesson (and I just thought it would be some hot flushes)

This was totally predictable.

I have been looking for further studies that show a connection between that early menopause also may cause early dementia by the time the female patients reach their forties. Which will be in decades to come, and may remain hidden.

These poor girls and young women. They needed true love, support and psychological care. Instead doctors pumped them full of poison, cut off their breasts and mutilated their genitalia. It’s the modern day equivalent to lobotomy.

Not to mention the complication rate of phalloplasty.