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Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 17:11

Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

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ArabellaScott · 26/05/2024 18:22

Watched some of the fashion show. The clothes are okay, but what strikes me is how some frighteningly underweight several models are. The world just chews women up and spits them out, doesn't it.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 18:14

A big part of the joy of dramatic dressing is that it isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. A bit of gentle piss taking comes with the territory.

Haircuts, outfits and body modifications aren’t protected characteristics and full personality expression via clothing choice whenever, wherever isn’t a human right. Normie life is full of dress codes and uniform standards.

That doesn’t excuse verbal or physical abuse perpetrated against snazzy dressers (and believe me, I’ve had a lot of it over the years) but it’s not comparable to homophobia/racism/disability discrimination etc.

I’ve got tattoos that can’t be covered by clothes, I knew that doing so would narrow my career options and put some people off getting to know me, including people who could make my life difficult, eg landlords.

Making that choice puts it in a completely different category to someone who isn’t hired for a job or is refused a property let because they have a same sex partner.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 26/05/2024 16:48

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/05/2024 15:45

Not loving taking the piss out of people's fashion choices :( I want a world where everyone feels free to wear what they want as long as it's decent, and whether it's fabulous, functional or just very very silly should be their choice and unrelated to the sex of their own body or anyone else's.

I think it's fair enough to take the piss out of someone literally dressed as a goldfish in a bag. And who regularly forgoes trousers.

The piss-taking is totally unrelated to the sex of the person concerned.

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VinnieVanDog · 26/05/2024 16:36

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/05/2024 15:45

Not loving taking the piss out of people's fashion choices :( I want a world where everyone feels free to wear what they want as long as it's decent, and whether it's fabulous, functional or just very very silly should be their choice and unrelated to the sex of their own body or anyone else's.

"There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that's not being talked about."

ArabellaScott · 26/05/2024 16:27

I like the weird fashion, shoot me! It is indeed an art form, it's not supposed to be worn to Tescos.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/05/2024 16:24

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 16:08

Is it a choice when you are being paid to wear it?

No, which is another reason not to take the piss.

For those who are not paid it should be a choice but IMO cannot be as long as our clothes are constrained by gendered and other social roles.

MarieDeGournay · 26/05/2024 16:18

Some of the more er... vehement critique of that outfit follows a poster upthread writing
'I mean in her photos she presents in a way most people would associate with men and butch lesbians' [ it says 'her photos' in general, in fairness]
and if there's one thing you can say about the outfit in question, it's that it doesn't scream 'butch lesbian'😏

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 16:08

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/05/2024 15:45

Not loving taking the piss out of people's fashion choices :( I want a world where everyone feels free to wear what they want as long as it's decent, and whether it's fabulous, functional or just very very silly should be their choice and unrelated to the sex of their own body or anyone else's.

Is it a choice when you are being paid to wear it?

BusyMummy001 · 26/05/2024 16:00

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/05/2024 15:45

Not loving taking the piss out of people's fashion choices :( I want a world where everyone feels free to wear what they want as long as it's decent, and whether it's fabulous, functional or just very very silly should be their choice and unrelated to the sex of their own body or anyone else's.

I hear you, but I think most of these later comments are referencing the ludicrous items in fashion shows. The designers present these as an art form - and just as viewer can ridicule a piece of art in a gallery, they can mock these creations. Shoes that models can barely walk in; fabrics that serve no practical real world purpose; sparkly faux jewel encrusted knickers that you would be able to walk no further than the length of a catwalk without chafing your inner thighs (let alone sit on an office chair or bar stool in).

It’s intentionally being displayed for response - and in several cases modelled by highly paid celebrities to garner PR - so it’s all fair game as far as I’m concerned.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 26/05/2024 15:45

Not loving taking the piss out of people's fashion choices :( I want a world where everyone feels free to wear what they want as long as it's decent, and whether it's fabulous, functional or just very very silly should be their choice and unrelated to the sex of their own body or anyone else's.

BusyMummy001 · 26/05/2024 15:27

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 15:23

Sam Smith hobbling round the A/W 24 Andreas Kronthaler for Vivi Westwood show in ‘super elevated’ platform boots using a big staff as a walking aid is even more…

… bold? than Corrin for MuiMui.

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/1b4r3xo/sam_smith_walks_for_vivienne_westwood_fw24_at/

🤣

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 15:23

Sam Smith hobbling round the A/W 24 Andreas Kronthaler for Vivi Westwood show in ‘super elevated’ platform boots using a big staff as a walking aid is even more…

… bold? than Corrin for MuiMui.

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/1b4r3xo/sam_smith_walks_for_vivienne_westwood_fw24_at/

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 15:12

TBF kitten heeled sling backs are the devils work! The models that got the brogues must’ve been well chuffed.

Give me a nice, chunky 1940s style platform with an ankle or Mary Jane strap and I can run for a bus, no problem.

BusyMummy001 · 26/05/2024 13:56

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet why do none of these models know how to walk in heels? They all look like little girls shuffling in mummy’s oversized shoes!

WickedSerious · 26/05/2024 13:49

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 13:40

Granny MuiMui A/W 2023!

Watch the last minute of this for the recap (start from 8.56) Emma Corrin first up in glittery gold briefs and the green knitted look is 20-30 models later:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YEUcZeKJE

Not a look that's caught on in my neck of the woods.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 13:40

WickedSerious · 26/05/2024 13:06

Good grief.

Who knitted those drawers?

Granny MuiMui A/W 2023!

Watch the last minute of this for the recap (start from 8.56) Emma Corrin first up in glittery gold briefs and the green knitted look is 20-30 models later:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YEUcZeKJE

Miu Miu Fall/Winter 2023 Fashion Show

The Miu Miu Fall/Winter 2023 collection by Miuccia Prada is focused on the instinctive process of looking, ways of seeing, and how an act of observation can ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YEUcZeKJE

WickedSerious · 26/05/2024 13:06

JanesLittleGirl · 25/05/2024 15:30

This is clear evidence that EC is non-binary. No woman would team those shoes with that bag; no man would wear that cardie and most men and women manage to put their trousers on before they leave the house.

Good grief.

Who knitted those drawers?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 11:03

Pretty much, @BackToLurk!

”Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all”

(I actually quite like the luxury art student look, or at least I would like a version with bigger pants/proper bottoms, I just bristle at the idea that a beserk sense of fashion makes a person a marginalised minority. I’ve dressed like a lunatic for over 30 years and I’m well aware that I could’ve chosen to blend in/conform more for an easier life. Getting public flack for one’s dramatic dress sense isn’t the same as homophobic abuse, being a public weirdo quite rightly isn’t a protected characteristic)

BusyMummy001 · 26/05/2024 10:57

VinnieVanDog · 26/05/2024 09:27

'Butch' my arse! Corrin looks highly styled and manicured like a model - in fact plenty of models have had extreme short haircut over the decades. She's clearly obsessed with her looks and with getting attention, hence leaving the house in underpants etc. Her whole NB thing, same as with Sam Smith, is attention-seeking narc bs.

I agree, she looks as ‘butch’ as Marlene Dietrich did, who appropriated male fashion/style… and in doing so accentuated her femininity and sexuality.

Just in children’s play, they explore what they are not (ie boy’s playing at being mummy, princesses) to affirm what they are (ie daddies/males); adorning oneself in male apparel simply underscores that a woman is female. The fashion world knows this.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 26/05/2024 10:54

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 10:33

I’d describe Emma Corrin’s aesthetic as ‘Art Studenty, but via Exclusive Atelier (rather than Chazza Shop)’

Puts me in mind of Pulp’s Common People song.

I'd describe her aesthetic as 'Oops, I forgot to put trousers on again!'

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BackToLurk · 26/05/2024 10:34

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 10:33

I’d describe Emma Corrin’s aesthetic as ‘Art Studenty, but via Exclusive Atelier (rather than Chazza Shop)’

Puts me in mind of Pulp’s Common People song.

“Everybody hates a tourist”?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 10:33

I’d describe Emma Corrin’s aesthetic as ‘Art Studenty, but via Exclusive Atelier (rather than Chazza Shop)’

Puts me in mind of Pulp’s Common People song.

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VinnieVanDog · 26/05/2024 09:27

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 09:08

There’s nowt butch about Corrin! 😂

'Butch' my arse! Corrin looks highly styled and manicured like a model - in fact plenty of models have had extreme short haircut over the decades. She's clearly obsessed with her looks and with getting attention, hence leaving the house in underpants etc. Her whole NB thing, same as with Sam Smith, is attention-seeking narc bs.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 26/05/2024 09:08

There’s nowt butch about Corrin! 😂

PullUpTheDrawbridge · 26/05/2024 08:56

God, it just smacks of attention seeking/ box ticking/ wannabe speshal nonsense.

“Thanks for capturing this with me, very intimate, very new, very cool,”

These are not candid 'capturing a moment' shots. They are posed to carefully appeal to every demographic. And what's intimate about posting photos online?

She's just trying to tick every box possible. Bit of cleavage, bit of binding, bit of wistful thinking (cos I'm deep, me) bit of writhing. Get over yourself.