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Libraries promoting body mutilation as “joy” in Norfolk

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CarobBean72 · 12/04/2024 09:28

Anyone here from Norfolk?

Norwich Millennium Library has a display of “Trans Joy”, apparently aimed at children & young people, which IMHO promotes body mutilation & self harm of women & girls & glorifies drug use. In the wake of the Cass Report it’s incredibly irresponsible.

It includes images of hypodermic needles for injecting testosterone, a packer & mastectomy scars, with the slogan “Self-made men play God right”.

Most disturbing is a small figurine of a woman’s lower half, cut off at waist & knees, bearing what appears to be a hysterectomy scar & what is either a pseudo-phallus ( an appendage made from a flap of tissue removed from the woman’s arm or thigh, rolled up and sewn to the groin to mimic a penis ) or a hypertrophied clitoris, one of the often painful effects of testosterone on the female body.

The display is accessible to children as the cabinets stand only a couple of feet high, designed for a child’s eye line and it’s placed next to the 8-14 book section. The cases are by the entrance - not noticeable when you go in but inescapable when you leave.

I can’t believe someone okayed this. If it was promoting anorexia or cutting or glorifying steroid abuse to children and teenagers, we’d all see it for what it is. Instead, it’s promoting self-mutilation under the banner of “Trans Joy”.

It’s especially irresponsible in the week the Cass Review revealed how poor the evidence base for so-called “gender affirming care” is and how little followup there has been to assess regret and de-transition rates.

Ive been trying to find a contact for the head of Norfolk Library Services - it’s a woman called Kerry Murray, who is also the Safeguarding Lead! But I can’t find any email listing for her.

Any suggestions?

Sharing images with trepidation: it’s a horror show!

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SinnerBoy · 29/04/2024 15:30

BeHappyHedgehog · Today 13:02

Are you familiar with the term body dysmorphia?

No. Literally none of us here have ever heard the term, much less spent ages discussing it.

Ingenieur · 29/04/2024 15:25

SidewaysOtter · 29/04/2024 15:16

Meaning all those who say being trans is an "innate feeling" are <clutches pearls> wrong?

Does this mean their lived experience is being denied?!

I know, right? Imagine realising you are a transmedicalist (basically a TERF!!!) by denying that anyone is trans just by saying they are trans... Which side of history would that be???

Peskysquirrel · 29/04/2024 15:25

Well said @Depressedbarbie

Depressedbarbie · 29/04/2024 15:23

BeHappyHedgehog · 29/04/2024 14:21

I was very willing to read through the website & I did read through the "Transwidows" section of it. It quickly became hurtful for me to read as someone who's trans when the lady started linking transgenderism as the cause for her & her ex-partner's issues. If you or anyone else on here was willing to reply with the main points of Transwidows community that aren't phrased in that damaging way I would greatly appreciate it. I am more than willing to learn as much as I can, just not at the cost of hearing that my existence is faulty or not real

Seriously?? That is extraordinarily self-centred.These people's experiences have precisely nothing to do with you!! Your existence as a trans person is nothing to do with their issues. For them, clearly, transgenderism was the issue. That doesn't mean that suddenly all transgender people aren't valid!!!

theDudesmummy · 29/04/2024 15:22

What does the anatomy of Eddie Izzard's brain look like? Does it morph from boy mode to girl mode?

borntobequiet · 29/04/2024 15:22

BeHappyHedgehog · 29/04/2024 14:14

Once again I never implied you all are less than in any way. I simply added a further explanation for two pieces, as it wasn't added on here before & any additional info just gives more context. I'm not trying to devalue anyone's intelligence & I don't think you're silly. Please don't put words in my mouth, disrespecting anyone isn't my intention here

You implied it with every point you attempted to make. Your tone is the epitome of patronising.

theDudesmummy · 29/04/2024 15:21

I am guessing from the "third sex" lecture that hedgehog hasn't done a lot of reading of the past FWR threads. 🤔

MagicKittens · 29/04/2024 15:20

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MagicKittens · 29/04/2024 15:18

No, ducky, that's not a third sex. That's a disorder of sexual development and does not produce a third sex.

Do try reading the discussion on FWR rather than trying to lecture.

And 'majority group of people who feel affirmed with sex assigned to them at birth' it just such piffle. Most people know themselves to be of one sex or the other. They don't feel affirmed in it. They just have a body of one sex or the other.

SidewaysOtter · 29/04/2024 15:16

Ingenieur · 29/04/2024 14:58

So you are asserting there is a physical basis for being trans?

Meaning all those who say being trans is an "innate feeling" are <clutches pearls> wrong?

Does this mean their lived experience is being denied?!

BeHappyHedgehog · 29/04/2024 15:15

CriticalCondition · 29/04/2024 12:07

Sex is a trait that describes one's reproductive organs, i.e. female, male or intersex

Are you saying there are three sexes? Please could you explain what the reproductive organs of the third sex are?

Yes sure, so a small majority of people (like 0.5% of the world's population I think) are born with chromosome patterns that differ from the typical XX & XY patterns. For example there's people with Turner's syndrome, which is when there is absence of 1 of the X chromosomes (XO) & people with Klinefelter's syndrome, which is when there is an extra X chromosome (XXY). The first group is usually assigned female at birth & the second male at birth as they have quite prominent physical characteristics of those sexes. These are known as atypical sex chromosome patterns, but sometimes not considered intersex due to prominent dominance of one sex's characteristics/anatomy. There are also people who are born with a mix of sexual characteristics from both sexes. If it isn't distinct to tell straight away after birth, many only find out they are intersex later in life once they start getting certain symptoms, e.g. someone who has been assigned male at birth due to many primary & secondary male sexual characteristics could find out that they have a uterus through a scan, or someone who has been assigned female at birth experiencing facial hair growth, bottom growth & no chest growth once they start puberty. To my knowledge people with atypical chromosome patterns are infertile as their reproductive systems don't function in the same way as XX & XY would

SidewaysOtter · 29/04/2024 15:14

Delphin · 29/04/2024 14:46

@BeHappyHedgehog :
"I'm not mansplaining anything, in fact I'm not even a man"

Why I am doubting that?

Because in BeHappyHedgehog's post @ 14:21, BeHappyHedgehog describes BeHappyHedgehogself as trans.

Which means if BeHappyHedgehog doesn't consider BeHappyHedgehogself a man now, BeHappyHedgehog was born one.

borntobequiet · 29/04/2024 15:08

Gender identity is simply your own identity within yourself.

A wonderfully meaningless statement.

theDudesmummy · 29/04/2024 15:04

When you say "the brain anatomy " what do you mean by that?

theDudesmummy · 29/04/2024 15:03

If there is a physical basis for being trans, does that apply to all "trans" people including middle-aged AGPs, autistic pubertal girls and the delusional, as well as male sex offenders who suddenly decide they are women when sentenced to prison and TikTok influencers who are monetising their "journey"? If so, how does that work? If not, why not? How do we tell the real trans from the fake?

Peskysquirrel · 29/04/2024 14:59

If you'd be interested in more evidence I'd be happy to look into more tho!

Yes, I would be interested in more evidence, with sources cited. Thank you.

Ingenieur · 29/04/2024 14:58

BeHappyHedgehog · 29/04/2024 14:57

Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of studies that I learned in Psychology, they had to do with neuroanatomy & they found that when compared with a control group of biological women & men, brain scans showed that brain anatomy in trans men resembles biological men more than biological women, & the ones of trans women are like those of biological women. It has been a couple of years now since I looked into those so I've only been able to dig out the Kruijver et al 2000 study on neurons & Rametti et al 2001 study on white matter in the brain. If you'd be interested in more evidence I'd be happy to look into more tho!

So you are asserting there is a physical basis for being trans?

BeHappyHedgehog · 29/04/2024 14:57

Ingenieur · 29/04/2024 11:54

@BeHappyHedgehog

Gender identity is an un-evidenced belief. Please show me some evidence that such a confection even exists.

And again, cis-gender is not a medical term, it is an ideological one.

Off the top of my head I can think of a couple of studies that I learned in Psychology, they had to do with neuroanatomy & they found that when compared with a control group of biological women & men, brain scans showed that brain anatomy in trans men resembles biological men more than biological women, & the ones of trans women are like those of biological women. It has been a couple of years now since I looked into those so I've only been able to dig out the Kruijver et al 2000 study on neurons & Rametti et al 2001 study on white matter in the brain. If you'd be interested in more evidence I'd be happy to look into more tho!

theDudesmummy · 29/04/2024 14:53

Hedgehog did not answer the question about what they thought was meant by MAPs.

theDudesmummy · 29/04/2024 14:50

After all, nakedness shouldn't be seen as something remotely sexual.

I agree with aspects of that but it is much too simplistic, I am afraid, and really just a fragment of a position. I am in fact a lifelong naturist and enjoy being in environments where nakedness is not sexual. But these places have to be carefully regulated and monitored because nakedness is seen as sexual by many, whatever alternative utopia we may desire. The wonderful FKK beach where I spend a lot of my summers only remains the lovely place it is because people's behaviour is very carefully monitored and staff will intervene to prevent problems.

In places other than these tiny islands of idealism ie in modern society as a whole, nakedness is undoubtedly seen as sexual. And therefore as something to be carefully considered around children.

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Delphin · 29/04/2024 14:46

@BeHappyHedgehog :
"I'm not mansplaining anything, in fact I'm not even a man"

Why I am doubting that?

noraclavicle · 29/04/2024 14:45

BeHappyHedgehog · 29/04/2024 14:21

I was very willing to read through the website & I did read through the "Transwidows" section of it. It quickly became hurtful for me to read as someone who's trans when the lady started linking transgenderism as the cause for her & her ex-partner's issues. If you or anyone else on here was willing to reply with the main points of Transwidows community that aren't phrased in that damaging way I would greatly appreciate it. I am more than willing to learn as much as I can, just not at the cost of hearing that my existence is faulty or not real

It comes as no surprise to me that you are putting yourself and your own feelings first and foremost, and displaying an utter lack of empathy with the women and children of the Transwidows threads.

There is no sugar-coating it mate - fetishistic males who get a sexual kick out of pretending to be women, gaslighting and destroying their families in the process. All in the pursuit of the basic lie, than men can ‘live as women.’

If that damages your vision of yourself, then that can’t be helped. It’s the truth.

My patience with this ideology is stretched thin enough as it is. I won’t be wasting any more time replying.

ANewCreation · 29/04/2024 14:43

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BeHappyHedgehog · 29/04/2024 14:40

Beowulfa · 29/04/2024 11:49

you likely live as a woman or a man

Could you clarify what that means please? In case I'm not living correctly.

By that I meant living feeling affirmed in your body as it is, not feeling the need for any medical transitioning

Peskysquirrel · 29/04/2024 14:37

ChatGPT has got a lot to answer for.

The 'discussion' isn't even an interesting one.