An MSP (Murdo Fraser) threatening legal action against Police Scotland after his twitter/x post was logged as a hate incident

Unfortunately, Anas Sarwar made virtually the exact same speech.

The officer referred to the force’s Hate Crime National Guidance (HCNG), which states that “for recording purposes, the perception of the victim or any other person is the defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hate incident”.'

So... is a "Hate Incident" the same as a "Non-Crime Hate Incident"? And why do "Non-Crime Hate Incidents" come under "Hate Crime National Guidance"? I'm confused about Non-Crime Hate Incidents and Hate Crimes. I wonder if the police are very confused too.

Anyway, Gawd bless JKR and her tweets which have protected so many other people from getting splattered by this shitshow.

Ah that's right I remember the complaints at the time about Humza's 'white' speech being hateful. Watching the video in full you could see his barely held together contempt and if it had been used in the same context against any minority race then I'm sure the police would have upheld those complaints.

It's madness.

Roll on 2026 and the Scottish elections. SNP have failed on so many levels and have managed to let that failure seep into every single public body and institution in Scotland. Not one of them is actually working for people anymore. The list is endless. Police Scotland, the prison service, creative Scotland, education Scotland, the newly named historic environment Scotland, councils, charities, rape crisis centres, aid centres. I'm not really a conspiracy theory person but it's astounding how quickly and effectively these organisations have fallen, to the detriment of women and girls, children, safeguarding and basic decency and common sense. I just feel permanently depressed these days about my country.

Literally anyone who wants to accuse someone of a Hate Incident will be obliged by the Police. Unless the person being accused is Humza Yousaf.

Fucking outrageous. And proves alllllll of the points that we have been making for years.

'A senior officer – titled Chief Inspector D in the PIRC report – wrote to Mr Fraser dismissing his claim that his NCHI breached the Human Rights Act, and that it represented “unlawful interference” with his right to freedom of expression.

The officer referred to the force’s Hate Crime National Guidance (HCNG), which states that “for recording purposes, the perception of the victim or any other person is the defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hate incident”.'

Rather than starting a new thread I thought I'd update this musty one

https://archive.ph/gK4Tu

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/01/police-handling-of-msp-trans-cat-tweet-row-unreasonable/

Police Scotland being unreasonable ladies. Who'd a thunk!?

Well, don’t be fooled by that clip. Most of Scotland knows exactly what Douglas Ross is. An absolute scrote of a man.

I opined that Douglas Ross was very effective in that clip.

Did you just call Douglas Ross “effective” 😂😂 fuck me, what is the world coming to.

ScotGov guidance on the new legislation: It introduces new offences for threatening or abusive behaviour which is intended to stir up hatred based on prejudice towards characteristics including age, disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity and variations in sex characteristics.

Given your comment/opinion wasn’t threatening or abusive, or stirring up hatred, I doubt it would be regarded as a hate crime.

Why are you perplexed, it was not deemed to be a hate crime.

I watched Trainspotting last night, and wondered how films like this will survive April 1st? The infamous Begbie 'I'm no a buftie' scene, for example, has the potential to 'offend' many. Could the TV Channel that broadcast it be reported by someone who views it in Scotland?

In fact, could a person be reported for the act of watching it on their TV? 'Ma Cousin AutumnCrow watched Trainspottin' last night ...'

Agree Douglas Ross was very effective in that clip.

Thanks for the link @ArabellaScott I've just watched it.

Reasonable questions from Douglas Ross, yet Humza Yousaf not addressing the issue of the legislation being used maliciously. Instead yadda yadda including his claims that the legislation will cover ALL protected characteristics. Untrue, at present, as far as I can see.

Interesting to hear from Douglas Ross that the Scottish Police Federation, and the Superintendents representative body, are flagging up the potential for malicious complaints within the legislation. Along with others.

So whilst the Chief Con may well be captured, it appears that there is a lot of disquiet amongst the police ranks, right up to senior officer level.

Thanks for this - watching it now

Humza Yousaf discussed this in FMQ today.

He says PS are going to review how they record NHCI, in light of the changes made in England. So taht's possibly progress.

Hopefully this clip is at the right place, it's the first question.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/first-ministers-questions-march-28-2024?clip_start=12:00:17&clip_end=12:13:08

Channelling my inner Gandhi ...

Yeh not following that one

I think it would be a good idea.

Oh no, sorry, that's Scottish civilisation ...

What do you think of the new hate crime bill in Scotland?

"laws", really. The creeping restriction of protest and demonstration.

What law are you referring to?

The point is a ridiculous law was bullied into extinction. Well, until the Tories opened the coffin and removed the stake.

I still have a DVD somewhere... and yes, it is very reminiscent. Less fun than walking about with placards for an infinite number of individual demos but same basic idea....

Anyone ever see Mark Thomas "Serious Organised Criminal" when it played ?

This is very reminiscent.

Tory MP and Deputy Party Chairman Rachel Maclean had a “non-crime hate incident” (NCHI) added to her record by local police for tweeting that the Greens “don’t know what a woman is” in December. A comment that no doubt came after seeing the Green candidate…

In that case, did the Green Party lodge the complaint, which would be worryingly authoritarian for a party committed to ecological justice.

Or did the police take it upon themselves to charge her? Come to think of it, could the police decide a tweet etc constitutes a non crime hate incident or does it always have to be at the instigation of someone else lodging the complaint?