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Happy Women's History Month!

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ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 11:17

I had no idea women got a whole month!!!

I can't wait to see the flags flying from every government building and all the celebrations of women in history everywhere. 😊

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HoneyButterPopcorn · 17/03/2024 19:28

How many are actually women?

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ArabellaScott · 17/03/2024 12:56

Women and early photography.

Constance Fox Talbert married William Henry Fox Talbert in 1832.

On honeymoon, he realised her artistic skills exceeded his own, and jealousy drove him to create photography.

'When William Henry Fox Talbot sketched Lake Como in 1833, a comparison with his bride’s drawing led the honeymooning Englishman to deem his work a “melancholy” mess.
Despite having used a camera lucida to superimpose the panorama on his sketchpad, he deplored his efforts to trace its contours and vowed to devise a means to capture a view without recourse to his “faithless pencil”.
The result, after much experimenting at his home at Lacock Abbey, was the negative-positive process that is key to photography.'

https://archive.is/Www9T#selection-871.0-883.127

A blurry image of a poem attributed to Constance would make her possibly the first female photographer, although the point at which various processes combined to create a photograph is disputed. Her watercolours, and those of her children, remained hidden while her husband's fame as one of the inventors of photography was feted.

They've recently been put online by the National Trust.

https://www.watercolourworld.org/learn-more/features/the-fox-talbots-of-lacock-abbey/

Other early female photographers:

https://www.dulwichpicturegallery.org.uk/about/news-blog/2021/february/unearthing-the-worlds-first-female-photographers/

Anna Atkins is famed for her cyanotypes:

https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/cyanotypes-of-british-algae-by-anna-atkins-1843/

'Atkins became a member of the Botanical Society in London in 1839, one of the few scientific societies which was open to women.'

Another name that is very slight but can be considered a part of the history of photography, and a fascinating life story, is Elizabeth Fulhame, whose 1794 work An Essay on Combustion contained meticulous records of her chemical experiments.

'...she often began with small scraps of silk, which she would soak in a solution of metallic salts. She then treated the pieces in different ways – for example by placing them in a dark closet, drying them by the fire or exposing them to sunlight – and noted the results. Occasionally she was fortunate enough to find her cloth had beautiful colours, like red, purple or gold, or had ‘spangles’, sparkling areas. Historians often credit Mrs Fulhame’s descriptions of photochemical processes as forerunning the science behind early photography.'

https://minervascientifica.co.uk/elizabeth-fulhame/

Elizabeth Fulhame sharply expresses her views on how she may be regarded as a woman promoting these ideas:

‘Some are so ignorant that they grow sullen and silent, and are chilled with horror at the sight of any thing, that bears the semblance of learning, in whatever shape it may appear; and should the spectre appear in the shape of woman, the pangs, which they suffer, are truly dismal.’

The Fox Talbots of Lacock Abbey - Watercolour World

The Fox Talbot collection of family watercolours at Lacock Abbey encapsulates the purpose of The Watercolour World project. While Henry Fox Talbot was developing photography, his family continued to record the world in the traditional manner, attracted...

https://www.watercolourworld.org/learn-more/features/the-fox-talbots-of-lacock-abbey

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ErrolTheDragon · 17/03/2024 00:17

It's be a foolhardy man who argued with her, I think!Grin

SinnerBoy · 16/03/2024 16:07

I bet someone would know who she was, the Orkneys only have a small population. It would be fascinating to know.

ArabellaScott · 16/03/2024 12:38

Today, a gorgeous picture of an unnamed girl from Orkney.

https://orkneyarchive.blogspot.com/2018/03/a-suffrage-search.html

'The Orkney Women's Suffrage Society was formed on September 25, 1909. A meeting was held in the house of a Mr James Cursiter, Kirkwall where 'all the ladies present joined the association'. The following month a constitution was formally adopted and office bearers were elected.'

It's fascinating if you dig into the Suffrage movement nationwide - small moments of heroic bravery all over the country - women having meetings despite fierce local opposition, sometimes assault, much ridicule, etc.

Happy Women's History Month!
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SinnerBoy · 15/03/2024 15:05

And yes, Knight sounds like a prize shit, a complete ingrate.

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 14:43

Yes, although I'm so glad she was reunited with her son.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 13:59

Incredible woman!

And really distressing that she was short-changed both on her wages and credit for everything she did.

SinnerBoy · 15/03/2024 12:59

Wow, she was a real tough nut!

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 12:23

What an amazing bit of secret family history, SinnerBoy!

Here's an amazing story from the Arctic:

Ada Blackjack, sole survivor of an ill-starred 1921 exploration. An astonishing tale of endurance and hardiness from a woman who was determined to care for her son.

'...by the time a rescue ship crested the horizon nearly two years later, Blackjack, who would come to be known as “The Female Robinson Crusoe,” was the only member of the party still alive—that is, apart from Vic. The shy tailor with the crippling fear of polar bears had taught herself to shoot and trap to stave off the constant threat of starvation, and when she strode out to meet her rescuers in a resplendent reindeer parka she had stitched herself, her gaunt face held a triumphant smile.'

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/ada-blackjack-arctic-survivor

Ada Blackjack, the Forgotten Sole Survivor of an Odd Arctic Expedition

In the early 1920s, 23-year-old Blackjack endured a two-year stay on frosty Wrangel Island.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/ada-blackjack-arctic-survivor

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SinnerBoy · 13/03/2024 15:44

Yes, it really is, their sense of duty was quite something.

NitroNine · 13/03/2024 13:12

@SinnerBoy

It’s amazing how quiet they all kept about it isn’t it?! I know they signed the official secrets act; but even after a ruddy great museum talking about the place was built, the people who worked there didn’t talk about it.

SinnerBoy · 13/03/2024 09:28

NitroNine · Today 01:05

Someone upthread mentioned the Bletchley women

My Gran was one! We only found out when the priest spoke about it at her funeral.

NitroNine · 13/03/2024 01:05

Someone upthread mentioned the Bletchley women so I thought I’d mention that Dr Sally Waugh has been researching the 70+ of them who’d studied at Newnham College. With the College Archivist (Frieda Midgley) & a Fellow Emerita of History (Dr Gillian Sutherland) she’s developed the research into an exhibition. I’m aware most people are unlikely to be at a lose end in Cambridge on random weekday afternoons next week; but in the more likely event of you being able to get there at the weekend in September, it will be included in this year’s Open Cambridge (dates tbc apparently 🤷🏻‍♀️). Newnham also has the banner being carried in the photo at the top of this article about Newnhamite suffrage campaigners on display - & as it’s by the Buttery (ie dining hall) doubtless it would be available to view then too. As it’s outside term you might be able to see the replica that lives in the library.

(Newnham, should you be wondering, has not been razed to the ground for being a Women’s College because technically they accept TW. But you have to provide ID listing you as female when you apply. At undergrad, that knocks [almost?] everyone out of the running before they even submit the paperwork. Crucially, Murray Edwards [the College Formerly Known As New Hall] is all about self-ID & is flooding out the narcissistic supply & validation by insisting they’re a [still] a women’s College despite the fact they’ve rolled out the red carpet for any men who claim to “identify” as women 🤦🏻‍♀️)

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ArabellaScott · 11/03/2024 20:59

Thanks both. We're not even halfway through March yet! I was only on Greeks before I got distracted.

Less time travel and back to antiquity tomorrow. The research is great fun!

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SinnerBoy · 11/03/2024 16:46

Her story was in the Guardian, some time back. I didn't remember her name, but certainly her story.

Emotionalsupportviper · 11/03/2024 16:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/03/2024 12:34

This is such a great thread @ArabellaScott, thank you Flowers

It is - It deserves to be in Classics.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/03/2024 12:34

This is such a great thread @ArabellaScott, thank you Flowers

ArabellaScott · 11/03/2024 10:04

https://www.ncdv.org.uk/giulia-tofana-serial-killer-or-heroine/

Let's have a notorious woman from history, today:

'Giulia was born in Sicily in 1620, and had a modest but relatively happy childhood. That was until she was 13 years old when her mother was executed for murdering her husband – Giulia’s father. Things then took a very dark turn for Giulia.
It is thought that Giulia was taught how to make poison by either her mother, or a family friend. For nearly 20 years, she made bottles of poison which was a combination of arsenic, deadly nightshade and lead. She called it Aqua Tofana and it was bottled to look like face cream and was packaged with a picture of St Nicholas – who was the patron saint of children and unmarried people. St Nicholas was famous for helping young women and girls escape what we now call sex traffickers.
The lethal ingredients would apparently cause cold-like symptoms before the unlucky victim dropped dead several days later. The poison was completely undetectable, which meant that women could seemingly commit the perfect crime by killing their abusive husbands and getting away with it, leaving them to be free from the abuse.'

Serial killer

Giulia Tofana - Serial killer or Heroine?!

Giulia Tofana may be one of the most deadly serial killers ever and chances are you won’t have heard of her!

https://www.ncdv.org.uk/giulia-tofana-serial-killer-or-heroine

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Redpencil99 · 09/03/2024 22:21

turbonerd · 04/03/2024 18:20

@ArabellaScott
You’ll enjoy Karin Bojs book My European Family; The 54 000 first years.

It follows haplo-groups only transferred in female mithocondria. Traces females and their movement around the continent + some of their historical achievements.
A lovely book.

Oh no, but don't you see? That genetic indicator will suddenly pop into existence in the chromosomes of males because of a certificate and a dress, of course!!

Redpencil99 · 09/03/2024 22:14

Rosalind Franklin
Jocelyn Bell Burnell

Both female scientists who missed out on Nobel prizes, Franklin because she had the temerity to die before the prizes for DNA were given out, and Burnell because she was missed off the paper that described the discovery of pulsars, which she discovered

Redpencil99 · 09/03/2024 22:09

Ellen Wilkinson, MP for Jarrow when the march was on, fought for the rights of workers. Never married, had many liaisons, died of cancer. Heroine of the working class. Labour should hang its head in shame