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Happy Women's History Month!

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ArabellaScott · 01/03/2024 11:17

I had no idea women got a whole month!!!

I can't wait to see the flags flying from every government building and all the celebrations of women in history everywhere. 😊

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SinnerBoy · 24/03/2024 12:55

I liked the tiny Charlotte Walker, who said, on being accused pinioning a man's arms and robbing him:

He said… I held him together by both his arms, and so robbed his Worship: I said I must have three hands to rob him when I had hold of both his arms

IcakethereforeIam · 24/03/2024 12:47

These women aren't good girls but we're sticking it to patriarchy although I doubt they'd have realised they were doing that

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2024/03/23/philippa-gregory-normal-people-renegade-nell-disney/

https://archive.ph/DG9Kd kick your heels while dancing over the paywall

I thought Gregory didn't know what a woman was, although I'd be happy if that was some other Philippa. There's so much scope for transing these women 😃

What ‘Fat Beth’ did to the naked solicitor – and other true crimes of Britain’s highwaywomen

Philippa Gregory on the horrible history of the real-life Renegade Nells, from the first chloroform poisoner to the notorious Moll Cutpurse

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2024/03/23/philippa-gregory-normal-people-renegade-nell-disney

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 20:00

quantumbutterfly · 23/03/2024 16:02

oh and another film to add to your list..

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4669788/

RBG was an incredible woman - I have her biography. She would have stopped this gender site in it's tracks.

Edie to say thank you for the film recommendation

quantumbutterfly · 23/03/2024 15:48

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/03/2024 15:02

That is actually bliddy terrifying @turbonerd ! 😧

It'll be standing room only before long.

It's the biggest issue (no pun intended) today and the cause of most of the more publicised ones...climate change, global migration, competition for resources, habitat/ecosystem destruction.

If we don't choose to tackle it ourselves now, factors beyond our control will tackle it for us.

I have read that one of the biggest factors to lower birth rates is availability of education for women.

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 15:22

Oh - and thank you everyone for several decades worth of material for future issues. These are brilliant!

👌

Emotionalsupportviper · 23/03/2024 15:21

Ethel Williams is another woman I did a mini-biography of for our church magazine.

I like to sneak a bit of feminism in alongside the coffee morning notices and the vicar whinging about - well, about everything.

SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 15:09

I read about Ethel Williams in the Evening Chronicle, a few years ago.

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 15:05

Today's women in history is courtesy of the Royal College of GPs, hosting the Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender conference today in London:

https://twitter.com/rcgp/status/1771477071480414650

'Pioneering women in medicine

Dr. Ethel Williams: First woman with a medical practice in Newcastle

Elizabeth Latto Ewan: Scottish physician & suffragist, advocate for public health & women's rights

both trailblazers in medicine & social change'

I'll add Elizabeth Blackwell, who had an astonishing biography:

'Elizabeth Blackwell was admitted to St Bartholomew’s Hospital in London but was banned from studying female disease there by the Professor of Midwifery.

After this period of further practice and study, Elizabeth returned to New York and her career took the direction she would follow for the rest of her life – the promotion of hygiene and preventative medicine and encouragement of women to enter the profession. She set up in private practice, opening a dispensary for poor women and children. This became the New York Infirmary for Women, run by women for women. By then Emily Blackwell, her younger sister had qualified and joined her with some of the growing band of women doctors. Despite a busy working life Elizabeth continued to “spread the word” to women studying medicine and published a collection of her lectures as:

The Laws of Life with Special Reference to the Physical Education of Girls

A return to London in 1858 followed after a clause in the Medical Act was amended so that doctors with foreign degrees could practise medicine. Elizabeth had her name entered on the Medical Register – she was the first female ever to be recognised as a qualified doctor in Britain.'

Well worth reading the whole thing!

https://www.historickilmun.org/history/elizabeth-blackwell/

https://twitter.com/rcgp/status/1771477071480414650

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SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 14:50

Format fail sadface...

SinnerBoy · 23/03/2024 14:35

I'm not sure where to put this Guardian article, although it's historically related, so I decided here. There are a few more paragraphs.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/23/medieval-christian-misogyny-shapes-how-we-judge-women-today-says-scholar

Some called the women who put on makeup and dyed their hair, deceptive and artificial. Others said women who wore jewels and fine clothes could not be trusted, even by their husbands. But they all agreed: if a man ever encountered one of these unchristian women, and wanted to rape her, it was her fault – not his.

According to a talk at the University of Cambridge it was in the third-century that the Christian idea that “real” beauty is within was first used by influential male writers to try to control how women dressed.

“Many of the ideas that govern how we perceive women’s appearance today have their roots in the middle ages,” said Cambridge scholar Alexandra Zhirnova who is giving her talk on 23 March as part of the Cambridge Festival – a showcase of the research under way at the university.

^Zhirnova’s PhD thesis shines a spotlight on the misogynistic attitudes of medieval Christian men towards women’s makeup, clothing and adornments.
“One of the fundamental teachings in Christianity is the need to turn away from materialistic values and focus on spiritual things. But when Christianity becomes integrated into the patriarchal society of late antiquity and the early middle ages, the idea is used as a means of social control over women.”^
While the Romans thought it “much more normal” for upper-class women to wear makeup, lots of jewellery, and “very elaborate” hairstyles, Zhirnova said this behaviour was perceived to be in conflict with Christian ideals.

She thinks many early Christian male writers seemed to fear that women could excite a man’s lust using makeup and artfulness: “Women who have this power over men can control them and disrupt the male order of the world.”

Many “very influential” writers of the early church, such as Saint Jerome, Saint Ambrose and Saint Augustine, wrote letters and made speeches denouncing women who wore makeup and fine clothing as akin to “prostitutes”, while praising “respectable” women who did not. Yet if, as the Bible suggests, God sees beauty in one’s “inner self”, not “outward adornments”, then it should not matter what a Christian woman wears.

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 07:06

I've been busy! But I'll do a bit more this weekend. I suppose actually there's nothing to stop the thread continuing beyond March, anyway. Every month is women's history month on FWR!

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Moremorela · 23/03/2024 00:00

Fascinating stuff, don’t stop!

SinnerBoy · 20/03/2024 13:41

That's precisely what I posted about. I'm a geologist, you know. There are some named after her, such as Hildoceras.

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2024 13:39

Oooh.

'St Hild’s fame was secured locally with the snakestones legend, which dates back to the Middle Ages. The legend holds that Whitby and the surrounding area was plagued by snakes. Locals sought the help of St Hild, and she in turn prayed to God. First she prayed to remove the snakes’ heads, and then she prayed to turn their bodies to stone. In one account of the legend St Hild invokes the Gospel of St Mark (23:11) and utters Christ’s words, ‘Be removed and cast into the sea.’
Headless snakes can still be found today on Whitby’s shoreline. But we now know that these enigmatic objects are in fact ammonite fossils. The fossils date from the Jurassic Period (200–145 million years ago) and enterprising Victorians used to carve snakes’ heads into them to sell to tourists. English Heritage had its own snakestone carved by a local artist in 2018.'

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ArabellaScott · 18/03/2024 17:44

Green Party Women are full of wonderful, brave, intelligent women who have spent their lives campaigning on environmental issues and feminism. Much admiration for all of them.

I don't want to derail into politics as this thread is for celebrating women's history, but these women are making history.

https://greenwomensdeclaration.uk/

Green Women's Declaration

https://greenwomensdeclaration.uk

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HoneyButterPopcorn · 18/03/2024 16:37

I suspect more accident than design.

SabrinaThwaite · 18/03/2024 12:14

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2024 13:05

Green Party Women are publishing articles all month to celebrate women from history - one woman a day.

https://women.greenparty.org.uk/womens-history-month-2024/

Quite amazing to see Martina Navratilova on that list - and to see her quoted on her stance on women’s sport with only a mild comment about ‘controversy’:

In recent years Martina has caused controversy for some by being outspoken about keeping sports single sex based on biology and not gender identity:

“I admire people that go against the grain. But my North Star is fairness, and male bodies and women’s sports are not fair, and that’s my North Star. And I cannot budge from that.”

I wonder if the Greens have put an actual adult in charge of this project?

ErrolTheDragon · 18/03/2024 12:02

Every last one. GPW know their biology as well as their history.

They're Green Party Women, not Green Party Non-Men, aren't they? Lots of names I've not heard of but from the ones I do recognise it looks good.

ArabellaScott · 18/03/2024 11:41

Another fantastic resource for women's history:

https://www.suppressedhistories.net/

'The Suppressed Histories Archivesuncovers the realities of women's lives, internationally and across time, asking questions abbout mother-right, female spheres of power, and about patriarchy and slavery, conquest and aboriginality. About Indigenous philosophies—and the historical chemistry of their repression, and even more importantly, their role in resisting oppression.

A global perspective on women’s history offers fresh and diverse conceptions of women's power, as well as of men and gender borders. It overturns stereotypes of race and class, and the structures of domination that enforce them. It digs under the usual story of lords and rulers, looking for hidden strands, and reweaves knowledge from the divided fields of history, archaeology, linguistics and folk tradition.
So we cast a wide arc, looking for patterns and gaps and contradictions which, where vested power interests are at stake, are trigger points for controversy. Some of the flashpoints are women's sovereignty and self-determination; the ancient female icons; gender-egalitarian matricultures; patriarchal systems of control, including class systems and enslavement; witch-hunts and persecution of "heresies" such as Goddess reverence and ecstatic ceremonies; and conquest, empires, and ideologies of domination.

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The Suppressed Histories Archives is in the process of reorganizing as a non-profit educational resource. We aim to educate the public about global women's history and cultural studies, making knowledge widely accessible through open access articles, photo essays, videos and other digital media, as well as through live presentation and exhibits.Max Dashu founded the Suppressed Histories Archives in January of 1970 to research and document women's history on a global scale. She wanted to find out if there were any societies in the world where women were free, and to understand how systems of domination establish and perpetuate themselves. Since then she has built a collection of some 50,000 images and 100 visual presentations, as well as producing numerous articles, photo essays, books, and videos fleshing out the cultural heritages that have been hidden from us.'

Suppressed Histories Archives

Overview of women's history with a global perspective, including patriarchal and egalitarian societies, women warriors and shamans and witches.

https://www.suppressedhistories.net

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ArabellaScott · 18/03/2024 07:11

HoneyButterPopcorn · 17/03/2024 19:28

How many are actually women?

Every last one. GPW know their biology as well as their history.

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