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Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag

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PersephoneSeethes · 15/02/2024 18:31

I saw it this afternoon on Twitter and read the article with utter horror.

I was hoping it would be uplifting stories about people being accepted and living full lives

John Lewis and Waitrose are seemingly actively promoting and policing
pronoun usage by colleagues, Stasi-style. This seems like it is a court case, a-la-Forstater, waiting to happen.

They have an article about 'raising non-binary and transgender children', not from an information position in case Partners come across such families in their stores, but with a heavy activist slant.

I think I have finally been pushed to the edge with this beloved company. I can no longer shop with them, and I shop at Waitrose every week for our main shop, have done for over a decade.

This is a real gut punch because I believe in what Waitrose does, or used to do: they pay their farmers better, their animal welfare is better, their shops don't have the bright lights and loud noises that set off my migraines and irritate family members autistic temperaments. But as someone who grew up a tomboy, and would have been thrown under the gender bus by Stonewall and all the other organisations if I had been a child today, I can't stand by and accept all this nonsense.

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MrsJamin · 16/02/2024 18:17

Are they going to find enough blue haired thems to buy curtains for hundreds of pounds? I don't think so. I was literally just about to do just that.

whenindoubtgotothelibrary · 16/02/2024 18:11

They've been going downhill for years but this puts the tin hat on it. I remember being dismayed by that awful 'aggressive boy in a dress smashes up the house' Christmas ad a couple of years ago. No more Waitrose or JL for us. As a boring old middle-aged adult human female I get to decide where we shop as a family.

BigBurrata · 16/02/2024 17:57

I’ve just closed my JL account too and told them why

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 16/02/2024 17:51

I used to love shopping in John Lewis, but haven't bought anything from them since 2019.

That was when they decided to open their female changing rooms to male wankers, but without changing the signage to let women know they were now mixed sex.

So the sign still said "women" but the policy was that men got to choose where they felt most comfortable.

It was made very clear at the time that any women unkind and exclusive enough to expect privacy when undressing, or prudish and bigoted enough to object to spunk on the mirrors and floors was unwelcome in John Lewis.

I can be a bit slow on the uptake, but after women wrote begging them to reconsider and had their concerns ridiculed and dismissed I took the hint.

Can't say I've missed them either. They used to be really good, but were already going downhill back then, and have only got worse.

MrsMitford3 · 16/02/2024 17:50

I hope someone at John Lewis is reading this.

Gutted as I love waitrose.

And this thread is in active now!!

MrsJamin · 16/02/2024 17:46

I've unsubscribed from the mailing list, make sure to choose the option "I no longer shop with you"

MrsJamin · 16/02/2024 17:44

This is so so disappointing. We're nearing the end of a renovation and have a lot of home interiors stuff to buy, but I don't want to buy them from a shop that promotes child abuse. Deleted the app. How bloody bloody annoying. Where are the adults in John Lewis? Where are the lawyers? This isn't 2015 as someone has pointed out! 😡

Runningwildish · 16/02/2024 17:18

I'm going to have to vegetarian as I like the animal welfare standards they have

Runningwildish · 16/02/2024 17:18

I've deleted the JL and Waitrose app, I'll have to cancel my card later, and unsubscribe from emails.
will this show up in their stats?

Hepwo · 16/02/2024 17:09

I'm cringing for them! They are shops, we don't want social engineering from shops!

And what a bubble they must be in to not realize how badly this will land.

99point6 · 16/02/2024 17:06

Postage costs would easily another £1 a copy of sent to partner's home addresses.

99point6 · 16/02/2024 17:06

Postage costs would easily another £1 a copy of sent to partner's home addresses.

Chersfrozenface · 16/02/2024 17:02

SoupDragonsFriend · 16/02/2024 16:57

I'd assumed it was paper copies because of the 32 page format, since multiples of 4 fit with double-sided printed folded pages, and because the layout of the page numbering fitted with the style of a printed document but obviously I was wrong. I'm glad they haven't wasted an additional £30k+ on printing.

It sounds as though it was designed in the format of a magazine that would appear as a physical print version.

At what point it was decided that it would only be released digitally .. who knows.

SoupDragonsFriend · 16/02/2024 16:57

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I'd assumed it was paper copies because of the 32 page format, since multiples of 4 fit with double-sided printed folded pages, and because the layout of the page numbering fitted with the style of a printed document but obviously I was wrong. I'm glad they haven't wasted an additional £30k+ on printing.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 16/02/2024 16:44

"The article also features the experiences of trans staff members. One says: “If you love your child enough. you’re not going to care about the judgment that you may face just because they’re happy."

If you love your child enough then you're really not going to care if they
grow up sick and sterile so long as they're happy right now? It might be your own child who is judging you in a few years' time, because you're supposed to be the adult.

"Social media influencers “helped” by sharing “tips on how to safely use clothing and equipment to achieve a person’s desired gender identity, for example, chest binders”.

D'you know, we've not fully scoped the good that social media influencers can do for society. True, they can help us all by sharing tips on how how to use chest binders safely, just like they share so many tips to young people on how to lose weight safely. Yet they could do so much more. How to use cigarettes safely. How to use your car safely to get to your desired destination while drunk.

Public health information has really missed a trick!

"The magazine says some of the events which will be recognised in 2024 include International Trans Day of Visibility, Asexuality Day, Agender Pride Day,
Pansexual and Panromantic Visibility Day, Non-binary Awareness Week and
International Non-binary People’s Day"

Knock yourselves out John Lewis. No-one is going to notice.

(Quotes from the Telegraph)

Chersfrozenface · 16/02/2024 16:27

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I wonder how many clicks it's had.

JulesJules · 16/02/2024 16:25

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SaffronSpice · 16/02/2024 16:20

I can’t boycott them as I stopped shopping there a few years ago; a combination of poor customer service, removal of the price promise, deterioration of stock. Last time I tried to buy from there they only had a display version and it would take several days for my order to arrive in store (or pay for delivery) which removed any benefit from buying in store compared to online from somewhere else. Our closest store has closed but before it did I realised I had made several trips there looking for specific items and was always coming away empty handed.

Chersfrozenface · 16/02/2024 16:10

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Does anyone know how it is being distributed to the "partners", then?

Via email as an attachment / clicky link?

As a page on an intranet?

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PersephoneSeethes · 16/02/2024 15:50

PomegranateOfPersephone · 16/02/2024 10:59

Are there actually any alternatives to Waitrose which are sex realist/neutral?

As far as I can tell every retailer, business and bank going has fully signed up to gender identity as the new order for society. Makes one wonder about the link between gender identity and conspicuous consumption or capitalism more widely. 🤔

I had hoped that as a cooperative, the partners would get to make decisions on these sorts of things rather than have them imposed from the top.

Oh there is a direct link! Since 2012 Larry Fink from BlackRock has sent an annual letter to all to the CEOs of the companies that BlackRock owns/funds strongly advising them about ESG or environmental, social and governance strategies.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/blackrock-letter-esg-b004a3cd

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BaronMunchausen · 16/02/2024 15:42

Fenlandia · 16/02/2024 12:46

I do like a nice wordsearch with my mid-morning cuppa. I think I'll steer clear of this buzzword bingo effort from the John Lewis magazine though.

Probably a good chance of winning the £10 though...

PersephoneSeethes · 16/02/2024 15:23

LittleMissViper · 16/02/2024 09:38

Right, that's my John Lewis membership cancelled and an email sent to request the removal of my entire account - telling them exactly why.

I'm only one person, but if I'm one of many then perhaps the message will get through.

I’ve just deleted my Waitrose and JL accounts.

Absolutely gut wrenching doing the Waitrose one not just because it’s been our family’s supermarket for three decades but because of the ethics and connivence.

I am furious and disgusted with the management on this hardline gender position of theirs, I felt I had no other choice but to protest by leaving.

Im very much in the JK Rowling school of thought which I have always believed to be fair and measured:

“Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? ”

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MarmaladeBap · 16/02/2024 15:10

I agree vehemently with PPs, and hope that JLP, and particularly their lawyers, are reading this thread and others elsewhere, and that there is going to be a huge and practical, ie not just words, U-turn very soon indeed.

I'm another one who will not be shopping in either Waitrose or John Lewis in the meantime, but often have done in the past, from cheese up to white goods and computers. I make a lot of the food and household goods purchasing decisions for 2 households, so that's a lot of potential lost business.

Breast binders for children? No way. No thank you.