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Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag

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PersephoneSeethes · 15/02/2024 18:31

I saw it this afternoon on Twitter and read the article with utter horror.

I was hoping it would be uplifting stories about people being accepted and living full lives

John Lewis and Waitrose are seemingly actively promoting and policing
pronoun usage by colleagues, Stasi-style. This seems like it is a court case, a-la-Forstater, waiting to happen.

They have an article about 'raising non-binary and transgender children', not from an information position in case Partners come across such families in their stores, but with a heavy activist slant.

I think I have finally been pushed to the edge with this beloved company. I can no longer shop with them, and I shop at Waitrose every week for our main shop, have done for over a decade.

This is a real gut punch because I believe in what Waitrose does, or used to do: they pay their farmers better, their animal welfare is better, their shops don't have the bright lights and loud noises that set off my migraines and irritate family members autistic temperaments. But as someone who grew up a tomboy, and would have been thrown under the gender bus by Stonewall and all the other organisations if I had been a child today, I can't stand by and accept all this nonsense.

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UltraLiteLife · 17/02/2024 10:37

This debacle should be a strong hint to employers that they should all move away from bringing your whole self to work.

There are so many ways in which this it's always been inappropriate and this illustrates it.

Employers have a 'duty of care' to their employees' health, safety and wellbeing. This includes carrying out risk assessments. Not using surnames or identifying locations ought to have been looked at very critically, especially for staff who might be more vulnerable. Suggesting people protect or delete their social media accounts, especially anything sexually explicit, before the project went live was a no-brainer.

Why do people turn off their brains around this entire area? Did it not even vaguely occur to someone to carry out a vague round of due diligence to see whether something would turn up that would give them pause for thought about their recommendations and how they'd handle this?

ETA: xd with Chers

Chersfrozenface · 17/02/2024 10:36

@SoupDragonsFriend JL management have swallowed "bring your whole self to work" hook, line and sinker. And expect the entire world to accept, no, to applaud that.

Any alternative result has simply not occurred to them, I suspect.

SoupDragonsFriend · 17/02/2024 10:31

I can see from their comments part way down the project page that many of the people who have contributed their photos and biographies to the project are proud of what they've done. I see no problem at all in being out and proud when you are fully aware of what you are doing but, nowadays, nobody can predict what might happen when there is a very critical reaction on the internet.

The difficulty right now will be for any of those participants who realise that maybe they've shared too much about their personal lives. It's too late to withdraw. Their identifying info is already out there. I'm imagining some of these staff feeling very stressed this weekend.
Employers have a 'duty of care' to their employees' health, safety and wellbeing. This includes carrying out risk assessments. Not using surnames or identifying locations ought to have been looked at very critically, especially for staff who might be more vulnerable. Suggesting people protect or delete their social media accounts, especially anything sexually explicit, before the project went live was a no-brainer.

Citrusandginger · 17/02/2024 10:25

And as for the Nursery ambassador. Words fail me. JL were trying to claim Mothercare's £11m share of the nursery market.

I'm struggling to think why they think this will help them to connect with new parents.

Citrusandginger · 17/02/2024 10:19

MrsJamin · 16/02/2024 17:46

I've unsubscribed from the mailing list, make sure to choose the option "I no longer shop with you"

Good plan. I think that's the option I will go with. The App has a lot of receipts in so it makes sense to keep that. I just won't use it.

FrancescaContini · 17/02/2024 10:08

“The enby who struggles with the war of having birthed a child…while not being female…” Christ on a bike, these people need to watch the news every now and then before talking about “war”.

JL will have definitely alienated their core customers by producing this nonsense.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/02/2024 09:52

Tootsweets23 · 17/02/2024 09:29

Couldn't be more pissed off with John Lewis and Sharon White if I tried. I've been a huge fan of hers for ages and now this.

"Ruby" who presents as a woman according to JL and appears in the magazine with a whip and latex dress has all sorts of other interesting activities. So predictable to anyone except the staff of JL. x.com/sewmuchno/status/1758635204519043485?s=46

I am a huge JL customer. Weekly Waitrose shop, kids clothes at least monthly and have a lot of white goods I would naturally get from them. No more.

So often when the online presence is examined , this is what you find 🙄

Zeugma · 17/02/2024 09:48

"Ruby" who presents as a woman according to JL and appears in the magazine with a whip and latex dress has all sorts of other interesting activities. So predictable to anyone except the staff of JL

I've just seen some of those photos on TwitterX 😱
And as for some of the other magazine pages - the enby who 'struggles with the war of having birthed a child' while 'not being female'. The 'happily married father of three' who's also bisexual and now realises he needs to be honest and proclaim it to the world in a staff magazine.

Dear God alive. What the hell are JL thinking? Do they have a death-wish?

Tootsweets23 · 17/02/2024 09:29

Couldn't be more pissed off with John Lewis and Sharon White if I tried. I've been a huge fan of hers for ages and now this.

"Ruby" who presents as a woman according to JL and appears in the magazine with a whip and latex dress has all sorts of other interesting activities. So predictable to anyone except the staff of JL. x.com/sewmuchno/status/1758635204519043485?s=46

I am a huge JL customer. Weekly Waitrose shop, kids clothes at least monthly and have a lot of white goods I would naturally get from them. No more.

PersephoneSeethes · 17/02/2024 09:05

SoupDragonsFriend · 17/02/2024 08:40

The JL Identity Project photos also include one of a man who has transitioned who appears to be holding a whip. Is it a whip?

Regardless of my opinions about JL's in house magazine etc, I'm feeling a bit concerned that these 'identity' pictures also give full name and place of work, including department, for a few employees who might be quite vulnerable and I wonder how much consideration was given to this.

Indeed. It’s as though no thought has gone into this project outside of their own activist echo chamber.

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Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 00:56

😶 oops forgot to write something!

Is the whole magazine just more of this?👇

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The JL Identity Project photos also include one of a man who has transitioned who appears to be holding a whip. Is it a whip?

Regardless of my opinions about JL's in house magazine etc, I'm feeling a bit concerned that these 'identity' pictures also give full name and place of work, including department, for a few employees who might be quite vulnerable and I wonder how much consideration was given to this.

JulesJules · 17/02/2024 07:30

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SallyLockheart · 17/02/2024 07:04

Gutted. Any recommendations for a credit card company that doesn’t supports woke ideologies?

sashh · 17/02/2024 06:43

domineastronomy · 16/02/2024 13:26

Ok that's Sainsbury's out then!
Now where?

Local shops?

I know it isn't as convenient and not many deliver (but some do). Also some have strange hours, my local butcher opens at 7.00am.

Iceland? Have they swallowed the kool aid?

https://ifcf.org.uk/

Their charitable foundation seems OK.

Oh and they saved me during Covid. They only let you book one delivery at a time and it is free over £40.

Working together | Iceland Foods Charitable Foundation

Here you can find out about our fundraising communities; Iceland Foods and The Food Warehouse companies, our inspirational 30,000 colleagues and our amazing ...

https://ifcf.org.uk

porridgecake · 17/02/2024 04:20

If I met him in the nursery dept I would be perturbed.

MrsJamin · 17/02/2024 04:13

And on Facebook too.

PeridotSparkle · 17/02/2024 03:47

Lots of comments on this on their latest insta post:

www.instagram.com/p/C3Z3vnwqKUy/?igsh=MWFqaGV2enV0M25pNg==

HirplesWithHaggis · 17/02/2024 03:08

PersephoneSeethes · 17/02/2024 01:01

He works in the nursery department!? 😶😶

He's wearing reins!

Fetaa · 17/02/2024 01:39

Is the belted vest fashion ware? My teen wears lots of alternative thrift shop fashions and so I’m used to creative outfits. However leather and buckles make me assume kink wear ..

Fetaa · 17/02/2024 01:22

Bloody hell, just read the article. I love shopping at JP but how can I shop there when it’s ethically questionable.

PersephoneSeethes · 17/02/2024 01:01

Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 00:56

😶 oops forgot to write something!

Is the whole magazine just more of this?👇

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He works in the nursery department!? 😶😶

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Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 00:56

😶 oops forgot to write something!

Is the whole magazine just more of this?👇

Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag
BaronMunchausen · 16/02/2024 22:18

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 16/02/2024 17:51

I used to love shopping in John Lewis, but haven't bought anything from them since 2019.

That was when they decided to open their female changing rooms to male wankers, but without changing the signage to let women know they were now mixed sex.

So the sign still said "women" but the policy was that men got to choose where they felt most comfortable.

It was made very clear at the time that any women unkind and exclusive enough to expect privacy when undressing, or prudish and bigoted enough to object to spunk on the mirrors and floors was unwelcome in John Lewis.

I can be a bit slow on the uptake, but after women wrote begging them to reconsider and had their concerns ridiculed and dismissed I took the hint.

Can't say I've missed them either. They used to be really good, but were already going downhill back then, and have only got worse.

There's money to be made in the signage there: "women and male wankers".

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/02/2024 19:53

Cazziebo · 16/02/2024 19:07

The comments on that Telegraph article are a joy to behold! I've read the majority of comments (1200+!) and only two in favour of the wokeness.

Huge mis-step, JLP!

Aren't they great? The Telegraph has done excellent work in exposing all this. I've got a very cheap 6 month sub to them and am impressed. Don't share many of the political views but they've some excellent journalists, their sports pages are fab (with a whole section devoted to women's sport) and the sports writers articulate about the eradication of women's sport by mediocre males.

Many commentators are articulate about safeguarding children, lesbian erasure and could hold their own on this board.

Cazziebo · 16/02/2024 19:07

The comments on that Telegraph article are a joy to behold! I've read the majority of comments (1200+!) and only two in favour of the wokeness.

Huge mis-step, JLP!

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