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Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag

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PersephoneSeethes · 15/02/2024 18:31

I saw it this afternoon on Twitter and read the article with utter horror.

I was hoping it would be uplifting stories about people being accepted and living full lives

John Lewis and Waitrose are seemingly actively promoting and policing
pronoun usage by colleagues, Stasi-style. This seems like it is a court case, a-la-Forstater, waiting to happen.

They have an article about 'raising non-binary and transgender children', not from an information position in case Partners come across such families in their stores, but with a heavy activist slant.

I think I have finally been pushed to the edge with this beloved company. I can no longer shop with them, and I shop at Waitrose every week for our main shop, have done for over a decade.

This is a real gut punch because I believe in what Waitrose does, or used to do: they pay their farmers better, their animal welfare is better, their shops don't have the bright lights and loud noises that set off my migraines and irritate family members autistic temperaments. But as someone who grew up a tomboy, and would have been thrown under the gender bus by Stonewall and all the other organisations if I had been a child today, I can't stand by and accept all this nonsense.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/02/2024 16:30

I'm not expecting an answer that makes sense but how can one be trans and non-binary?

I share your facepalming but from what I've seen it seems to mean someone who has a greater degree of opposite sex identity than their own sex.

SomeCatFromJapan · 17/02/2024 16:29

I was about to make a very expensive purchase of a dining table and benches from JL but thanks to this nonsense I've looked elsewhere, and to my surprise found a lovely real wood set in Ikea and saved myself over a grand. Thanks I guess JL.

Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 16:06

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/02/2024 15:27

That poor women - and the child caught up in all this. People with such fragile mental health that they deny biological reality need support and therapy. It feels almost abusive for JL to give them a platform like this - a real abdication of employer welfare responsibilities on their part.

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20 years ago had Grey declared the above bilge I'm fairly sure there would have been some sort of social services intervention to check on the welfare of the child.

PersephoneSeethes · 17/02/2024 16:03

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/02/2024 15:27

That poor women - and the child caught up in all this. People with such fragile mental health that they deny biological reality need support and therapy. It feels almost abusive for JL to give them a platform like this - a real abdication of employer welfare responsibilities on their part.

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Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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CrossPurposes · 17/02/2024 15:34

I'm not expecting an answer that makes sense but how can one be trans and non-binary?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/02/2024 15:27

That poor women - and the child caught up in all this. People with such fragile mental health that they deny biological reality need support and therapy. It feels almost abusive for JL to give them a platform like this - a real abdication of employer welfare responsibilities on their part.

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MatchingBedding · 17/02/2024 15:19

It really is a load of old toilet isn’t it? They always look like this. If someone read Greys bio out to me I could have painted you a word picture of Grey Phoenix and it would have looked just like Grey Phoenix. When Grey was having pansexual sex with a man did they not bother to take precautions because They is not a female?

Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 15:01

Next we have the much more reasonable (!) mother,but not female, they/them Grey who had difficulties accepting the fact they birthed a child despite being a they and not a female.

I apologise for the above gibberish!

Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag
Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 14:43

OnceinaMinion · 17/02/2024 14:15

@Boiledbeetle the pic in the magazine is tame (even though they have a whip?). There’s lots of kink pics, bondage and worse!

I'll pass!

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Cancelledcurio · 17/02/2024 14:33

Manky and seedy. Aw well - go woke , go broke. Can't afford Waitrose. Unlike The Body Shop who I did use until they slagged of JK, hiked their prizes up and their aggressive hassling in the shop. Would use use JL at Christmas or for wedding presents, etc Not any more

OnceinaMinion · 17/02/2024 14:15

@Boiledbeetle the pic in the magazine is tame (even though they have a whip?). There’s lots of kink pics, bondage and worse!

Rightsraptor · 17/02/2024 13:06

Ruby is in Brighton.

If I were the sort of person who says "just sayin'" I'd say that now.

Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 13:06

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/02/2024 12:58

I believe twitter has uncovered even more disturbing images of this individual

I'm not sure I'm brave enough to look!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/02/2024 12:58

Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 12:29

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I believe twitter has uncovered even more disturbing images of this individual

Villagetoraiseachild · 17/02/2024 12:52

There's another thread on this, in Active section, John Lewis in trouble.

Villagetoraiseachild · 17/02/2024 12:50

@Boiledbeetle , many thanks, you read my mind, was going to ask you to post this as the Xitter link not working for me.

Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 12:29

OnceinaMinion · 17/02/2024 11:56

I’ve seen the Ruby photos on Twitter. How companies are incapable of doing any due diligence is beyond me.

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Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag
BaronMunchausen · 17/02/2024 12:20

The Pink News take was "Bigots rage over trans feature in John Lewis staff magazine". They reference a gung-ho 2 year study of gender affirming hormone treatment (Chen et al) as proof that JL are right to promote breast binders for the “more traditionally masculine” chest.

Villagetoraiseachild · 17/02/2024 11:59

You just have to wonder who is advising John Lewis and who has editorial control.
Unless they are planning to transition into a kink shop for fetishists they need to think hard and fast.

OnceinaMinion · 17/02/2024 11:56

I’ve seen the Ruby photos on Twitter. How companies are incapable of doing any due diligence is beyond me.

Citrusandginger · 17/02/2024 11:19

The situation isn't helped by John Lewis' constitution, in which the primary purpose of JL is to exist for its staff, not to make a profit.

Wise heads understand that you can't support staff if there is no profit, but JL are more vulnerable than a brand led by hardened city hawks to "do gooding" initiatives at the expense of core customers.

Tootsweets23 · 17/02/2024 11:15

Please please stop trying to bring your whole selves to work. Especially when it involves latex, whips and a bondage collar.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/02/2024 10:47

That's such a good point @UltraLiteLife . So many of these groups end up in a bubble with their own values that sometimes conflict with the organisations. Not wishing to derail but it's a bit like LGBT groups for children in schools - run by activist adults, often undermining safeguarding and guidelines on teaching about sexuality / "gender identity" etc yet sanctioned by clueless senior leaders seemingly oblivious to potential grooming / age inappropriate allegations.
Such a lack of critical thinking .