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Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag

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PersephoneSeethes · 15/02/2024 18:31

I saw it this afternoon on Twitter and read the article with utter horror.

I was hoping it would be uplifting stories about people being accepted and living full lives

John Lewis and Waitrose are seemingly actively promoting and policing
pronoun usage by colleagues, Stasi-style. This seems like it is a court case, a-la-Forstater, waiting to happen.

They have an article about 'raising non-binary and transgender children', not from an information position in case Partners come across such families in their stores, but with a heavy activist slant.

I think I have finally been pushed to the edge with this beloved company. I can no longer shop with them, and I shop at Waitrose every week for our main shop, have done for over a decade.

This is a real gut punch because I believe in what Waitrose does, or used to do: they pay their farmers better, their animal welfare is better, their shops don't have the bright lights and loud noises that set off my migraines and irritate family members autistic temperaments. But as someone who grew up a tomboy, and would have been thrown under the gender bus by Stonewall and all the other organisations if I had been a child today, I can't stand by and accept all this nonsense.

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coldpizzalover · 19/02/2024 16:27

I was wondering how many of us it takes to make a difference? As a lesbian mother of children whose lives have been utterly disrupted and damaged by gender ideology, I am disgusted to be described as going ‘low’. My first Ocado delivery arrives tonight. How many of us will it take to get the message across?

CriticalCondition · 19/02/2024 15:47

Ruby's a lightweight. That teacher bloke in Canada had fake boobs so large he almost needed a wheelbarrow and he was using a circular saw FGS.

MrsJamin · 19/02/2024 15:42

Ruby's instagram is still open on instagram, all of his photos widely available. Also the photographer is on linkedin asking for people's feedback. I'd comment but I wouldn't want my whole network to be informed as to what I said!

Boiledbeetle · 19/02/2024 15:31

CriticalCondition · 19/02/2024 15:02

The full sentence refers to work he couldn't do 'when presenting as female due to the physical limitations'.

Is that another way of saying he found his fake boobs got in the way?

Do Waitrose have a bit where they cook chickens etc? Maybe he worked there and they were afraid he'd get them to close to the oven.

Leafstamp · 19/02/2024 15:27

I've just cancelled MyWaitrose card and will not step foot in there again for the forseesable future.

CriticalCondition · 19/02/2024 15:02

The full sentence refers to work he couldn't do 'when presenting as female due to the physical limitations'.

Is that another way of saying he found his fake boobs got in the way?

Chersfrozenface · 19/02/2024 15:02

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Ah, it looks as though Ruby is one of the "Women get it easy" crowd.

Very, very common.

Boiledbeetle · 19/02/2024 14:58

"Breaking:
Chairman of @JohnLewisRetail, Dame Sharon White, has posted this on an internal staff forum.
She says: “when they go low, we must go high”.
How disgraceful to view concerned women and parents with such contempt.
This ideology is being pushed right from the top. "

https://twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1759560835809063206?s=19

Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag
Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag
JulesJules · 19/02/2024 14:48

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PronounssheRa · 19/02/2024 11:30

According to James JL has pulled the ‘Pride in the Partnership' exhibition

https://twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1759519570014974098

https://twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1759519570014974098

NoWordForFluffy · 19/02/2024 09:22

It got mine and both of my in-laws'. I've not checked with DH yet, but he'll be doing it.

Heartbrokenrider · 19/02/2024 08:59

It got mine

TrainedByCatsToBeScathing · 19/02/2024 08:50

I wonder how many account cancelations JL received over the weekend.

Boiledbeetle · 19/02/2024 08:20

HorribleNecktie · 19/02/2024 08:15

Ruby works at my local shop.

You know. For local people.

Edited

it's nice where you live isn't it. Very green.

Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag
HorribleNecktie · 19/02/2024 08:15

Boiledbeetle · 17/02/2024 12:29

😒

Ruby works at my local shop.

You know. For local people.

PersephoneSeethes · 19/02/2024 07:41

Chersfrozenface · 18/02/2024 14:09

It's been clear for some time that 'inclusion' for Sharon White only includes young people, non-white people, and economically disadvantaged people.

I wonder if that includes those non-white women who, for cultural and/or religious reasons, cannot use toilets or changing rooms which male-bodied people are invited to use if that's "where they feel most comfortable".

Indeed. What about their female Sikh and Muslim workers and customers? So many parts of JLP policies on this are so illogical and ill-thought out.

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Dostadning · 18/02/2024 22:22

The other thread about the furry got zapped.
I'm new to the thread so amazed that John Lewis are into staff celebrating kinks. Seems a bit cool girl/try hard for their own branding/demographic.
S+M rather than M+S.

Because I amuse myself...
John Lewis were barking up the wrong tree there - that young man needed to rein it in and harness his talent more wisely.
All puns aside, the photographer Chris Jepson has done some stunning portraits.

Portrait – The IDENTITY Project
I assume all the vox pop bits came from the sitters themselves and some are worded awkwardly. The furry guy with his "subjecting colleagues to his sarcasm!" and the intentional exclamation! might have been meant as self-deprecating rather than self-aggrandising but doesn't read that way.

Some of the portraits on the site are more revealing. There's also a human pup Envy not envy.
However, diversity across the LGBTQ+ community is presented well in the project.
There are some women there that I think come across very well/would be positive role models for DD.

Edit: I see that the JL exhibition was a side project to the above link.
I have in another country been asked to take part in a similar employee thing. Not LGBTQ+ focused but rather diversity within our workforce I was the token Brit All the portraits and vox pops were cringey, so I do feel for those in this encouraged to take part. I can imagine how some of those convos went.

SoupDragonsFriend · 18/02/2024 18:01

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 18/02/2024 16:05

To be strictly precise, the paw print itself is a furry symbol, as far as I know. The juxtaposition of the harness with the paw print t-shirt is what signals "pup play" to me.

Thanks for explaining. I'd made the assumption that it was the two together as well, just didn't make it clear. I've still learnt something new though which is useful.

I hate the fact that things that I have always thought quite wonderful, like real-life rainbows, or important, like 'being kind', have been linked to something I dislike so much, and now it's puppy paw prints. I'm doing my best to keep on trying to be kind to people and remain in awe of real rainbows regardless.

Even the first ordinary rainbow flag was celebratory but it's far too overused now and everything else that's been done with adapting the multicoloured flags is worse. Oh, and I'm particularly fed up about the repurposing the historic suffragette flag as 'genderqueer' (no comment).

OvaHere · 18/02/2024 16:49

What on earth is wrong with these companies? Do they all sniff glue at their board meetings? I can roll my eyes and ignore to a point when they all Pride Flag their logos for whatever month it is but this is way OTT.

You're a fucking shop John Lewis not high priests of a quasi religion. FFS!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/02/2024 16:32

I stopped going to JL when they started welcoming dogs in to piss and snuffle on their goods.

Canine ones? Grin

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 18/02/2024 16:05

SinnerBoy · 18/02/2024 15:07

SoupDragonsFriend · Today 13:42

edited to include, I've just looked up 'pup play'. I hadn't known about that before (am learning all the time) so hadn't realised about the signifier of the t-shirt.

I know of furries etc, but In hadn't realised that those T-Shirts meant "pup play," which I will NOT be Googling. I've seen people wearing them and assumed they were just a dog print design. I'm sure that some of the wearers are entirely innocent of the meaning.

To be strictly precise, the paw print itself is a furry symbol, as far as I know. The juxtaposition of the harness with the paw print t-shirt is what signals "pup play" to me.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 18/02/2024 15:56

SoupDragonsFriend and CrystalSea
Thank you, both of you! That helped clarify a lot.

There is a picture on CrystalSea's link, which shows the photos in situ, too.

ClarafromHR · 18/02/2024 15:37

FourChimneys · 17/02/2024 19:56

In the past I have spent between £50 and £100 at Waitrose on a Saturday. Today I shopped at Aldi and just went to Waitrose to use the toilet. To be fair they are cleaner than the public ones in town. To justify my visit I bought a solitary mushroom and paid with a £10 note.

Are there stickers we can decorate the toilet walls with?

I stopped going to JL when they started welcoming dogs in to piss and snuffle on their goods.

One of my neighbours is a typical middle aged Waitrose checkout woman. I must ask her what she thinks of the magazine. If it was paper rather than digital I expect she's using it to line her cat's litter tray.

Not sure if anyone has already responded. I have a good supply of stickers from ‘Let Women Speak’ Adult Human Female shop run by Posie Parker.

SinnerBoy · 18/02/2024 15:07

SoupDragonsFriend · Today 13:42

edited to include, I've just looked up 'pup play'. I hadn't known about that before (am learning all the time) so hadn't realised about the signifier of the t-shirt.

I know of furries etc, but In hadn't realised that those T-Shirts meant "pup play," which I will NOT be Googling. I've seen people wearing them and assumed they were just a dog print design. I'm sure that some of the wearers are entirely innocent of the meaning.

Chersfrozenface · 18/02/2024 15:01

NoWordForFluffy · 18/02/2024 14:58

Spar is still going strong round these parts!

Spar is a sort of network of independent shops rather than a chain.

The one I worked at is gone.

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