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Alice Roberts in The Times

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Igneococcus · 10/02/2024 07:05

Mostly plugging her new book but the interviews bring up the trans issue:

"I am not trying to propel Roberts back to a 2019 skirmish in the trans wars in which she tweeted that “biology is, quite simply, messier and more wonderful than some people like to believe” and advised doubters to “ask a clownfish” — a clownfish being a fish that starts life as male but becomes female. It does, however, strike me that if human female and male brains are the same, how can it ever be said that a baby possessing male genitalia was born into the wrong body.
There is quite a pause.
“I think that’s a very difficult philosophical question. It’s very difficult to pin it down, isn’t it? And we’ve had decades of feminism where we’ve been trying to get away from women being reduced to their genitalia. My own feeling is that you approach everybody as an individual.”

No Alice, it really isn't difficult to pin down, and it's not about genitalia, it's about gametes.

On a side note, it seems if it weren't for Alice we'd still be clueless about the causative agent of plague:
"Her chapter on the Black Death of the 14th and 15th centuries reveals its genesis as the Yersinia pestis bacterium,"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/31f84383-e923-42d5-8011-64d0dd7c1ff9?shareToken=2d6448182015ccd30701f4cb6c84de9f

Alice Roberts: ‘I’ve been estranged from my family for years’

The country’s most famous archaeologist talks to Andrew Billen about her new book, a near-death experience, family rifts — and the power of pink hair

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/31f84383-e923-42d5-8011-64d0dd7c1ff9?shareToken=2d6448182015ccd30701f4cb6c84de9f

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SerendipityJane · 11/09/2025 15:39

Zeugma · 11/09/2025 15:13

Tales from the Green Valley was the first thing I saw RG in, @LittleBitofBread - I caught an episode of it the other day on Together TV (I think), but this is the link to the series on YouTube.

It fascinated me because I live in a house of very similar date and construction, and it gives me a bit of a chill to think of the former inhabitants dressed in the same sort of clothes, doing the same sort of things as they went about their daily lives 400 years ago.

The secret to ox naming was fascinating !

Zeugma · 11/09/2025 15:13

LittleBitofBread · 11/09/2025 14:44

Slight derail, sorry:

Does anyone know if any of Ruth G's programmes are available to watch? Are they BBC? They sound right up my alley, but for some reason they've passed me by.

Tales from the Green Valley was the first thing I saw RG in, @LittleBitofBread - I caught an episode of it the other day on Together TV (I think), but this is the link to the series on YouTube.

It fascinated me because I live in a house of very similar date and construction, and it gives me a bit of a chill to think of the former inhabitants dressed in the same sort of clothes, doing the same sort of things as they went about their daily lives 400 years ago.

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GCAcademic · 11/09/2025 14:50

I’ve actually worked with one of the academics mentioned on this thread and their position on trans “rights” doesn’t surprise me at all. It’s extremely unlikely that they believe that a woman can have a penis, but they are ruthlessly ambitious and individualistic and wouldn’t think twice about trampling on anyone who got in their way, in their pursuit of career advancement. Of course, they are all #bekind on social media.

LittleBitofBread · 11/09/2025 14:44

Slight derail, sorry:

Does anyone know if any of Ruth G's programmes are available to watch? Are they BBC? They sound right up my alley, but for some reason they've passed me by.

SidewaysOtter · 11/09/2025 13:18

Lottapianos · 11/09/2025 12:59

'I can't forgive Alice Roberts for not going to her estranged mother's funeral'

I'm no fan of AR but that is entirely her own affair. Other people's family situations are usually way more complex than they appear from the outside

Absolutely. Her personal life is her business.

Lottapianos · 11/09/2025 12:59

'I can't forgive Alice Roberts for not going to her estranged mother's funeral'

I'm no fan of AR but that is entirely her own affair. Other people's family situations are usually way more complex than they appear from the outside

RedRec · 11/09/2025 12:34

I can't forgive Alice Roberts for not going to her estranged mother's funeral. She cut her mother out of her life for being upset at her (AR's) Humanist campaign to remove state funding for religious schools. And guess who sent her children to a CofE school?
Hypocrite.

pontefractals · 11/09/2025 12:17

Zeugma · 11/09/2025 11:30

As far as I can see from internet searches, LW isn’t a ‘Professor’.

Ruth Goodman is no stranger to a corset but my God, the woman commits to whatever time-period she’s inhabiting. I was watching her only the other day ripping the guts out of poultry and mattocking roots from hopelessly weed-choked ground (NB not at the same time), while dressed in full 17th c yeoman farmer’s wife gear. IMHO she does actually put in the hard yards as opposed to chucking on a farthingale and simpering.

Yes, RG wears the clothes so she can feel how it was to do the work in them. I'm sure I remember one programme where she was giving the corset some side-eye at the beginning but later on said it was actually supportive when doing heavy work, and likened it to a weight-lifter's belt. I think she's ace.

Zeugma · 11/09/2025 11:30

MarieDeGournay · 10/09/2025 21:23

The most evil thing I know about Dr? Prof? Worsley is that no matter what the subject is, she is 100% going to end up in fancy bloody dress by the end of the programme.😬
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As far as I can see from internet searches, LW isn’t a ‘Professor’.

Ruth Goodman is no stranger to a corset but my God, the woman commits to whatever time-period she’s inhabiting. I was watching her only the other day ripping the guts out of poultry and mattocking roots from hopelessly weed-choked ground (NB not at the same time), while dressed in full 17th c yeoman farmer’s wife gear. IMHO she does actually put in the hard yards as opposed to chucking on a farthingale and simpering.

SerendipityJane · 11/09/2025 09:30

Delphinium20 · 10/09/2025 19:29

American here who has never heard the term 'flat house' but we use bungalow all the time.

Well that's what my DB was telling me - he's landed in Tennessee.

SabrinaThwaite · 10/09/2025 22:18

GlomOfNit · 10/09/2025 21:52

She's not actually an archaeologist at all ... Grin Boils my piss a tiny bit when people constantly call her one. She's an anatomist/pathologist, a medical doctor, a presenter of human science to the public, and her PhD is indeed on palaeopathology (eg pathology of ancient or at least old people) - lots of experts from other fields work and lecture in archaeology departments.

I do still like her, despite everything. Wish she'd stop Being Kind though. I always wonder if she does an inner cringe when she pulls lines like the Clownfish one, or if she genuinely is a true believer? (Ironic, given her past role as British Humanists president!)

You can’t simultaneously claim clownfish and do an inner cringe.

The (American) Humanists threw out Richard Dawkins for heresy

GlomOfNit · 10/09/2025 21:52

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/02/2024 07:25

Most famous archaeologist???

My fat menopausal arse.

I think this honour should go to the late Mick Aston, or, if not to Phil Harding, Carenza Lewis or Helen Geake.

Or potentially to someone who is not a media personality but who gets on with the job.

She's not actually an archaeologist at all ... Grin Boils my piss a tiny bit when people constantly call her one. She's an anatomist/pathologist, a medical doctor, a presenter of human science to the public, and her PhD is indeed on palaeopathology (eg pathology of ancient or at least old people) - lots of experts from other fields work and lecture in archaeology departments.

I do still like her, despite everything. Wish she'd stop Being Kind though. I always wonder if she does an inner cringe when she pulls lines like the Clownfish one, or if she genuinely is a true believer? (Ironic, given her past role as British Humanists president!)

SabrinaThwaite · 10/09/2025 21:37

MarieDeGournay · 10/09/2025 21:23

The most evil thing I know about Dr? Prof? Worsley is that no matter what the subject is, she is 100% going to end up in fancy bloody dress by the end of the programme.😬
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Oh yes!

DH refuses to watch anything with Lucy Worsley because it inevitably involves dressing up.

Ditto Ruth Goodman.

MarieDeGournay · 10/09/2025 21:23

The most evil thing I know about Dr? Prof? Worsley is that no matter what the subject is, she is 100% going to end up in fancy bloody dress by the end of the programme.😬
Smile

SabrinaThwaite · 10/09/2025 21:09

SerendipityJane · 09/09/2025 15:57

Americans call bungalows "flat houses" ...

They’re usually called ranch homes.

We lived in one.

SabrinaThwaite · 10/09/2025 20:54

ErrolTheDragon · 09/09/2025 14:10

On an SM forum thread?
there are all sorts of people we discuss for whom we don’t use their earned titles. You don’t think posters who’ve got one should have them used do you?Confused

Dr Lucy Worsley was a visiting professor, so a short term appointment.

I’m not sure many people refer to her as Dr Worsley.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/09/2025 20:32

MarvellousMonsters · 10/09/2025 18:32

This reminds me of this meme and the takedown.

I can’t read what that says, is there a link to it?

Itsnottheheatitsthehumidity · 10/09/2025 20:18

I used to subscribe to the UK Humanists but some of them are as extreme as Fundamentalist Theists. I can’t be Good Without God when some humanists have these views. Now I’m just a plain old Atheist who eye rolls religion. Some bonkers Humanists want to ban religion altogether. Some humanists have turned The Flying Spaghetti Monster into an actual deity. Some humanists, like Alice, are in the TWAW camp, completely ignoring the humanist idea that science can explain the universe. Alice can’t be a scientist and ignore her scientific training, but she pretends that she can to “be kind”. You can’t be both, Alice!

soupycustard · 10/09/2025 19:37

She's a grifting idiot. I hate to say this about another woman because I've been on the wrong end of the 'you only got that promotion because the boss fancies you' shit, and it still angers and upsets me 20 years later, ...but if she's going to drivel on about clownfish, I'm afraid I really have to wonder if it was genuinely her academic merit that got her onto TV or the fact that she was young and pretty. Because her brain is clearly not her best feature.

earlyr1ser · 10/09/2025 19:30

If a man were strangling me with his bare hands (as most men could) he'd certainly be reducing me to my airway.

Women can be reduced into nothing by their biology. See also: death in childbirth, also greater risk to women of head trauma and whiplash. Denying this fact only increases the risk of it happening. Roberts is a forgettable grifter. Deep down, she knows this.

Delphinium20 · 10/09/2025 19:29

SerendipityJane · 09/09/2025 15:57

Americans call bungalows "flat houses" ...

American here who has never heard the term 'flat house' but we use bungalow all the time.

MarvellousMonsters · 10/09/2025 18:32

Zeugma · 10/02/2024 10:18

Yes, she used to handle human bones at digs and confidently assert that it was the pelvis of a woman, or of a man. She seems not to know that any more….

….Or actually she does, because I’ve definitely heard her saying it on ‘Digging for Britain', but apparently it’s all very complicated so it doesn’t always apply. Or something. Because clownfish. 🤡

This reminds me of this meme and the takedown.

Alice Roberts in The Times
AudHvamm · 09/09/2025 18:08

SerendipityJane · 09/09/2025 15:57

Americans call bungalows "flat houses" ...

How very Germanic of them.

@LittleBitofBread I'm also dreading the answer re. Lucy Worsley - I appreciate her gleefulness immensely - but having said that, she doesn't strike me as particularly brave.

SerendipityJane · 09/09/2025 16:41

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 09/09/2025 14:25

Isn't this the new book "domination" which purports to be about the spread of Christianity? Many ppl have pointed out its similarity to dominion by Tom Holland which she doesn't include at all in her references but does talk about the need to refute certain widespread theories by historians. Attention was drawn to this on twitter by others and a bit of an embarrassing exchange between her & Tim Holland where she said she absolutely definitely didn't mean him/his book but she'd love to come on TRIH

If anyone has time, this is interesting

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