Emma Hardy suing David Lloyd Gyms over trans policy

I am honestly not sure on either count. I emailed them a few weeks ago post SC and then post EHRC and have been trying to get them to put it in writing, which they just have. I assume this means the legal case is going to change?

Are they trying to claim these rules aren't new. Or, in the parlance of the times, clarified.

So have they just conceded??

I just got a response from David Lloyd about my very similar complaint last week:
"Apologies for the delayed response, I have been on annual leave and as I had been the one previously communicated with you this had filtered back to my inbox.

We do indeed follow the EHRC guidance and supreme court ruling. Apologies but I may have misunderstood, are you saying there are members in breach of these rules, as that has not been reported?

You have stated on your previous email that we have breached this and are non compliant however in your previous emails to me this was not mentioned, you were just questioning the definition. The definition is not set out by us but by the government and most recently, their supreme court ruling.

Members should now use the changing room assigned to their biological sex or we have two private change/shower areas that are not assigned to either sex, with access showers.

If you could give me more detail on incidents that are breaching with these rules I would be more than happy to help and discuss with any member in question.
"

Once UK Active have changed their underpants and read Akua
they will issue a new policy.

Excellent, please update us when you hear back.

Good for her. I hope more people go after the organisations who have been breaking the law for all these years and letting men into women's changing rooms without their consent. Condoning voyeurism and indecent exposure, I hope they all get sued. Is there an additional crime if young girls were present while these men were in there? Surly men in private female spaces looking at naked little girls takes the charges up a number of notches in severity.

UK Active will be looking at its policies then - and DL will be taking an interest

DLL does not have a policy.
It uses the UK Active one - as do most chains

The clarification of the Equality Act makes it clear that you cannot let some (female identifying/GRC holding) men in without letting all men in. Anything else would be sex discrimination. Either facilities are single (bio) sex or open to both sexes. So DL will be looking at their policies in the light of this.

That's definitely an experiment to conduct only after you've done a thorough mopping.

Oh yes, I’m about to have a tour of a David Lloyd gym today so I will ask them this when they start chasing me about membership!

I disagree. The more pressure put on them the better before the policy is rewritten.

NB. Feel free to use it to e-mail. However, I couldn’t find a local e-mail so it has gone to [email protected] which was the only address I could find.

I once had a protest idea about lying on the floors of various public toilets and waiting to see how long it took for people to find me, to show the difference of cubicle design on safety. I couldn’t find a toilet cubicle floor I would want to voluntarily want to ‘collapse’ on. 😂

@Talkinpeace

Yes good point! But am going to email them anyway! I've had a bee in my bonnet on this for years.

I even put posters up in the toilet but they were immediately taken down! I should have voted with my feet but (hang my head in shame) I didn't. No other gym close by.

Prompted by this thread I have just sent the following

I am considering joining your XXXXX facility. I wonder if you could confirm something for me please.

Are your toilets and changing facilities fully compliant with the law on single sex spaces, as confirmed in the Supreme Court ruling of Wednesday 16th April. In other words, do you provide single sex changing rooms and toilets only for biological women, as required for our dignity, privacy and safety. My husband is less likely to join but he too would need confirmation that there are all male facilities available.

I would also like confirmation that these facilities are clearly identified as such, regularly checked by staff and that it is also obvious who to report to if the rules are being broken. I assume that infringement of single sex spaces will result in memberships being suspended, but I cannot find this in your sexual harassment policy, where it should surely be.

I look forward to your response, after which I will come for a visit.

Bannatyne posted celebrating the SC ruling. He’s always supported women in this.

@AprilMadness
Its Easter Weekend.

UK Active will be rewriting their policy as we speak.
It will then be shared to all of the chains that use it (including DLL, Virgin)
and adopted.

There is no point asking them to jump the gun.

Yes I know this :)

Just wondered how this has affected Emma's case. Assume it will be similar to Sandie's case. Surely they will both either win or the have an out of court settlement.

I should really just email David Lloyd and ask what their stance is now.

In fact fuck it! I'll do it now!

DLL locker room doors say male and female.
The law is now clear about the meaning of those words.

I transferred from David Lloyd to Bannatyne as changing rooms there are stated as single sex

Any update on this after the ruling?

Good t know thanks. In the mean time I’ll email head office

@ThePeppyMoose Democracy 3.0 was last updated in September to say trial hopefully going ahead in summer 2025