Podcast for schools on 'Trans Euphoria' in children

I am always rather confused by the logic of the anti-carceralists. I am not sure what they think will happen.

I heard a podcast where SF was talking about their book as a publicity/marketing thing. SF was bemoaning that no one markets at single trans people and services are designed for couples. No shit Shon - if you turn yourself into the most marginalised then which marketeer will be spending on you? The medical companies already spent their marketing money on getting you into your cosmetically altered state - they aren’t interested in after sales…

The book "Love in Exile" by Shon Faye is on the right of the photo. Among other naïve thinking, Shon is an advocate of closing prisons, without any plan for dealing with the repercussions.

This is a good example of how much damage just one activist/fetishist can do. Would be interested in hearing how we can complain about this. School Governors would be a start, but there should be clear guidance coming from further up the line.

A colleague was at a conference and spoke to a delegate who presented a poster. The research found very few experiences of transphobia were reported by the trans participants. CS was one of the examiners and interrogated the validity of the research design and analysis (fair enough, this is what examiners should do). The researcher defended this well. Despite this, a post viva amendment was to add a section to the discussion chapter about how the participants were probably failing to notice the transphobia they were victims of due to internalised heteronormativity and not spotting the transphobia they were subjected to.

Apparently, the researcher presenting the poster was very ‘straight down the line’ when sharing the above. The information about the viva came from my colleague asking questions about reactions to the findings. The researcher was impressive in their objectivity/ professionalism, simply reporting different responses - and didn’t even mention who the examiner was.

The way the story was told to me gave 1984 vibes.

And a striking lack of awareness of the minds of others with the video background… psychologist? Really?!

What a weird discussion. Referencing an obscure conference speech in the 90s regarding the rarity of organisations with advice on how to make your child turn out gay… and how there are echoes of this now with trans issues

except thats not true - all our National institutions have had a dabble in promoting gender ideology over the last 15-20 years…. And people aren’t thinking it’s worked out well

apart from anything - trying to turn someone gay would surely be conversion therapy and illegal?

and obviously problematic for evolution and continuation of the human species - which is ultimately the only reason we mammals exist even though we aspire to higher purpose

bonkers

what is with the weird fingerless gloves?!
what woman would ever get away with wearing those in a professional setting?!
these men are so clueless

These people are horrific protect your children tell them what they are being told is garbage and tell them listen, dont react, just tell mum and dad then mom and dad expose the bs to protect your children. ---- It does appear that someone in mumsnet doesnt understand free speech and a fairy recent series of decisions in the UK High Court and unfortunately there are people who thumb their nose at UK Law and the decisions of the High Court reinforcing those rights.

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OMG is everyone on mumsnet transphobic? I hadn't realised. There should be trigger warnings.

"Euphoria" seems like a pretty intense, extreme reaction to the kinds of things people report experiencing "trans euphoria" from. Assuming people are telling the truth, and also that by "euphoria" they mean the same thing the rest of us mean (so, not relief, delight, satisfaction, comfort, joy, titillation or pleasure, but actual euphoria) then it doesn't exactly sound like a proportionate reaction to the situations they describe. Experiencing euphoria isn't always something that's ultimately a good thing — I'm supposed to go to the doctor if I get too much unjustified euphoria

Here’s Cora on a protrans podcast criticising the Cass Review.

Posted without comment as this thread is full of deletions already!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2o53MzXYy7A

As an 'older retired EP' I agree with everything you've written. I specialised for 30 years in autism and although a number of young people over the years wished to change gender we always did watchful waiting and attempted to give them good experiences as the sex they were. Only one young man went through gender change in all my time. Many had such impoverished life experiences because of sensory or behavioural issues the needed specialist staff and environments. I had some of my best experiences working in a specialist residential college. I also taught relationships and sex education here as of course old fashioned EPs are qualified teachers.This group input was far better than individual therapy as the students has so many questions which all benefitted from hearing and it was a social experience.
I have written about this in Educational Psychology Perspectives on Supporting Young Autistic People. I have worked with transgender colleagues over the years as I have lectured widely and all have supported my approach.

Also, and I've always felt this is significant, In the send school I teach at a large number of the pupils have autism and also learning difficulties which can extend to severe difficulties around social awareness and interaction.

Some are not aware of the social construct of "gender."

The less able they are form a cognitive and social interaction perspective, the less they demonstrate anything around identity and preferences with clothes. They don't dress up for example.

We've only ever had one gender questioning child, many years ago, and he was quite able socially.

It's the children who are more socially and cognitively able who are autistic who are most vulnerable to this, as they're in mainstream, accessing mainstream content and capable of being influenced by online and peer ideas.

Which has always proved to me it's a socially driven idea.

We do see some who are more socially able who are very into cats or dinosaurs who have to be reminded when it's appropriate to play that game and that teachers and children don't appreciate being head butted/ rubbed.

I think it's the case that of those who experience gender distress, a significant proportion are autistic, rather than a significant proportion of autistic people experience gender distress.

Also, there can be significant differences between those who consider themselves to be trans and those who end up in gender clinics.

In the research I referred to, I think all of the participants had identities along the 'demi femme' and non binary lines, rather than trans boy/girl lines. I think that autistic young people tend to me more binary in their trans identities.

My take, is that amongst those who consider themselves 'trans' lies a heady mix of a range of personality differences and mental health issues. I think for many, their trans identities are a symptom of other things entirely unrelated to gender. This sets them apart from those with gender dysphoria, whereby gender is a significant cause of their distress,

I work in a SEN school where more than 30% of the kids are on the autism spectrum, among other things.

We don't have a single gender dysphoric kid that we know of and never have the whole time I've been working there. How could this be the case with so many kids on the spectrum? (It seems accepted that GD is common in kids on the AS)

We don't teach it. It's our policy. It appears nowhere in our schemes of work for PSHE.

That's good to hear.
Presumably even the most captured of EPs & others won't be able to ignore the catastrophic state of these children's mental health for ever.

I am a current ed psych
It is bad on initial training. Many of the young trainees are big into social justice and as relatively privileged middle class 25-30 year old females many don't initially see the bigger picture.

It's not as bad as you think on the ground in my area. It was, 5 years ago, but things are changing. There are a few uncritical supporters and a growing swell of EPs who can see that the cohort is already highly vulnerable and that this should lead to questioning for safeguarding purposes. Cass helped enormously, and most services - well mine at least - would not support EPs advising outside of government guidance, so the December guidance has also helped.

I can't speak for other areas.

That's interesting @Brainworm . It repeats the pattern regularly noted on here that adults with a self interest wedge themselves in powerful positions to mute critical thinking, safeguarding challenges etc. Frankly that level of self involvement should bar someone from influence - just as the Nolan Principles of Public Life state under Integrity:

"Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships".

Allowing the self interested to censor the rest of society about this issue is why we're in this mess

Just noticed this.
CS is very influential in the world of contemporary EP research. Cora puts themself forward to do the vivas of EP' research when the topic is gender related, which provides an opportunity to influence what gets published.
There is a EP who worked with me who researched the experiences of 9 trans kids in school. The findings were mostly positive with the kids feeling school had been a good experience for them. At the viva, CS suggested that she hadn't done the analysis properly and her 'cis heteronormative privilege' meant she wasn't sensitive enough to spot all the adversity the participants had faced. A lot of pressure was put on her to redo the analysis. She held her ground and the second examiner must have sided with her, as she passed. They did make her add a paragraph to the end of the thesis saying that the analysis could have overlooked some negative experience from both the researcher and participants, all potentially failing to acknowledge cis heterosexual culture.

I wonder how much research CS has influenced/ biased?