What's going on with Genspect?

*self confessed fetishist, I meant to add.

https://twitter.com/autogynephilic?lang=en

This is the man who is a fetishist who is aroused by wearing women's clothing, at the conference in women's clothing?

I see.

Over the years both sides have hardened their positions, if you annoy both sides of the argument you're probably doing something right.

Genspect are showing the nuances of this whole issue and creating an environment where opinions can be freely expressed, not censored.

Oh, and there were children at Battle of Ideas. Not many, but some .

How is this any different from Debbie Hayton being at Battle of Ideas?

www.realityslaststand.com/p/the-end-of-wpath-introducing-the

"Last weekend, I had the immense pleasure of both attending and speaking at Genspect’s “The Bigger Picture” conference in Denver, Colorado. The speakers, a diverse group of medical experts, biologists, journalists, and parents, share concerns about the sudden increase in trans identities among youth and the prevailing ideology and "gender-affirmative" medical treatments for gender distress.

For too long, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) has been the sole provider of medical guidance for individuals experiencing distress about their sex and “gender.” Concerningly, WPATH advocates for a highly medicalized approach to treating gender-distressed youth, explicitly foregoing exploratory psychotherapy in favor of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgery.
Genspect is determined to break WPATH’s ideological monopoly on this issue. To that end, they have assembled a team of experts to develop a non-medicalized alternative to WPATH’s Standards of Care 8. I am honored to have been selected to write the first section, “Sex and the Body,” which anchors the entire Gender Framework in biological reality and counters the common activist arguments that there are more than two sexes beyond male and female or that the categories of male and female are not distinct but exist along a continuum. My focused work writing this section is largely responsible for the lull in content here on Reality’s Last Stand last month (sorry!), which will now resume as before.
It is with great pleasure that I present the following article by Alasdair Gunn, Vice-Director of Genspect. He outlines the contents and significance of their new and historically significant Gender Framework, which was unveiled during the conference. Its publication is set to be recognized as a pivotal moment when the tide began to turn against WPATH and their radical agenda.
Colin Wright
Founding Editor, Reality's Last Stand"

The document:

WPATH's SOC 8 is a radical document, deleting its ethics chapter, removing minimum age recommendations for medical transition, and including a chapter on “eunuch gender identity.”

Here, @ ngusdair presents @ genspect's new alternative: the Gender Framework.

x.com/swipewright/status/1722325526734377218?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

It's made me think quite hard - some commentators (who I now know do not know much about the individuals they named) appear to be saying that any male who is trans or GNC and is effectively presenting as such at that conference is agp.

And that by having trans people there who are GC, it means that Genspect believes in "true trans."

But the amount of interviews and research Genspect have done, and working with trans people and detransitioners, makes it very hard not to have these people there.

There has been no alternative gathering of advocates and researchers and experts to challenge WPATH, which is what they're essentially doing.

From Stella O’Malley:

https://genspect.org/the-split/

From what I understand: It's primarily around the fact that Genspect is 'for' a wide range of people - including children.

And, should an org that's 'for' children, platform and be 'working' with people who say they have AGP. As this doesn't sit right at all from a safeguarding perspective. Boundaries, safeguarding etc.

(I say 'working' as I'm very hazy about what has happened there. One particular guy who is out as an agp attended the conference and was photographed in garb, but may have been at a social afterwards I read. But that's still uncomfortable/ inappropriate for a org supposedly working with/ for children.)

Obviously transwidows have been on the end of abuse by their agp ex's, many very severely so. They've done a lot with Debbie Hayton.

There was a twitter space which I heard quite a lot of and did agree with the criticism I heard from a safeguarding children's perspective. It was said that Genspect had been trying to advertise to schools in the past (I don't know if this is still the case or much about that, only what I heard there.) and I personally don't think that is appropriate.

I also think initially some detransitioners felt there wasn't enough representation from them this time.

There has been an insinuation that they believe in "true trans" as a result of platforming certain trans people which also has implications for children, but I'm not actually sure that's a fair assessment of their position.

Boyce has framed it as rad fems saying no one can be gender non conforming. (And as such are as bad as TRAs). But that's not what the issue is. James Lindsay has been a bit of an idiot on twitter there. Blames women for creating gender ideology.

Some seem to be saying all the above means that the document Genspect have created to challenge WPATH 8 that needs feedback on, is just WPATH version 2.

Unfortunately that document has been somewhat buried by everything that's been going on which is a shame as it it's both likely to be a million times better than WPATH and is asking for comments.

I find this a difficult one actually. Because on the whole I believe everyone should be able to dress and present themselves any way they please. A man in a dress is still a man, a butch woman is still a woman. However, I do understand the argument that AGPs walking around in women’s clothes are dragging other people into their fetish without their consent. I find it a hard line to draw.

Loads of discussion here with some good insights.

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/511150/what-happened-at-the-genspect-conference-with-the-agp

I think I’ve seen on X that they platformed some cross-dressing males, and the fact that there were trans widows in attendance, some feminists think it was inappropriate.