What's going on with Genspect?

Genspect is not a women's rights organisation, was not established for that purpose and makes no claim to be one.

It's an organisation advocating for evidence based approaches to gender dysphoria. There's no reason why an AGP man should have input to that organisation like anyone else.

I have no idea what the Disney thread is that you are referring to, I'm afraid.

It's well documented that Blanchard's diagnostic work was good, but his recommendations were entirely free from concern for women.

How surprising from a man.

Message seems to be: if you pretend you're not agp we'll celebrate it. If you admit it we'll shun you.

From whom?

And I disagree that it's irrelevant whether a man can become a woman. If it were possible to change sex, then there wouldn't be an issue. But the fact that it's not possible means that we should be looking at other solutions for people who are tormented by a desire to be something which they are not and never can be. Especially since their pretence to be something which they are not has such an adverse impact on other people.

AGPs aren't tormented by the desire to be a woman though, are they? They're aroused by the thought of themselves as women. I don't think society needs to be willing to accommodate this at all. Any more than society needs to accommodate any other paraphilia.

Re my post thread about the attitudes of psychiatrists etc when it comes to dealing with paraphilic men, here’s a recent tweet by Blanchard:

https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1724058470670868688

Text reads:
@BlanchardPhD
In my view it’s irrelevant whether a man can become a woman or vice versa. What’s relevant is whether individuals tormented by the desire to be the opposite sex are happier when they present that way, and whether or how much the majority of society is willing to accommodate this.
1:35 pm · 13 Nov 2023
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Unless and until he says or acts in a way which tries to involve or compell me in his delusion
this is precisely what’s happening - he IS involving you in his delusion for sexual thrills by virtue of the fact that you’re highly unlikely to be honest and tell him he's just a man dressed up as a woman.

GC isn't an ideology, it's not a label that most normal people recognise. The only common factor is that they know that people can't change sex and they're not afraid to say so. That this requires a label shows how ridiculous this debate has become.

It's like labelling people who think the world is round "Globularists" à la Simon Edge's book. They're not round world ideologues, they're normal, rational people.

According to Blanchard, there are also the homosexual transexual, who have gender dysphoria since early childhood, but are attracted to males. Most of male children with gender dysphoria grow out of it by puberty, but for some it persists. I've heard that the homosexual transexual are the minority of the trans(women) population, but I've never tried to find the original source, so I don't know if it's supported by data.

Yes. May be as well as reading the chap's book, try reading some of the Trans Widows' threads.

I have always assumed that every man who wears feminine apparel has AGP.

Am I a bad person who applies lazy stereotypes?

I’m not susceptible to the 'cool girl' attitude of 'It’s only a dude in a dress' because I’ve listened to testimony and I’ve read extensively about AGP and the impact it has on wives/partners, on children, on women in workplaces, on the functioning of institutions.

When it comes to these blokes it’s never 'just' a dress; paraphilias are all-consuming and obsessive and escalating in nature - boundary-invasions are a feature not a bug. For alcoholics, one drink is one drink too many and it’s the same for paraphilic men and women’s attire.

While women’s clothes provide this sexual thrill for sections of the male population, this feminist is rescinding her wish to see society behave as though clothing is just clothing. Our society still hasn’t tackled the sexist stereotypes that exist for clothing aimed at women and, as long as both these attitudes exist, wearing women’s attire and boundary-breaking will have a big attraction and be a major thrill for some men.

Also, GC is absolutely not an ideology. The only thing "gender critical" feminists have in common is that they know that transwomen are men. That's not enough to call an ideology.

I was at the Women's Equality Party infamous Kettering conference years back and watched the party being torn in two by women who wanted to pander to AGPs and women who wanted to centre women.

It will be interesting to see which way Genspect goes. We all know how WEP has faded into obscurity.

Yep. On some levels, narcissism is complex, counterintuitive and confusing.

On other levels, it's plain bog standard one dimensional and simplistic seedy creepiness.

Yes.

What I'm seeing here is the familiar argument of 'they're going to break the rules anyway so what's the point of having them'.

Having rules is essential. We don't remove rules because we expect that some transgressors will break them.

So: 'Don't involve other people in your fetish' is a pretty basic rule that a conference involving fetishists would probably do well to state.