Mary Harrington - Why are so many transgender prisoners sex offenders?

Have you? When did you do that? I thought I'd read all your posts but I must have missed that one. Surprising since that is the one question that I'd like an answer to.

Could you post a link to your post or give the approximate day/time and I'll go and have a look.

So we're stuck either the conundrum that some people are faking being trans but they are indistinguishable from the people who are really trans. Or perhaps its just that nobody is "really trans " and they're all faking it.

Exactly.

The original question:

Why are so many transgender prisoners sex offenders?

I have no difficulty reading repeat questions, I just do not feel compelled to post repeat answers. Discussions that go in circles tend to lose my interest.

Your disingenuous posts are making the discussion go in circles and derailing the thread from its original question. I suggest you answer the perfectly clear question you've been asked, or people will conclude you don't have anything particularly insightful to impart. I certainly have.

I feel I have already answered your question on the process by which we can discern someone who is genuinely trans from someone who is not genuine.

I don't want you to repeat answers to questions I haven't asked, I want you to answer (for the first time) the questions I have asked.

Your refusal to answer indicates that you have no idea how someone genuinely trans differs from someone faking it.

Neither does anyone else, it seems.

So we're stuck either the conundrum that some people are faking being trans but they are indistinguishable from the people who are really trans. Or perhaps its just that nobody is "really trans " and they're all faking it.

No, it’s not my belief system. Please do not quote me out of context like that.
Enjoy your Sunday.

It clearly is your belief system because you said Minds can be gendered.

What makes you believe that minds can be gendered if this isn't your belief system? I'm asking you because I don't believe minds can be gendered.

I have no difficulty reading repeat questions, I just do not feel compelled to post repeat answers. Discussions that go in circles tend to lose my interest.

Psychologists don’t only assess mental illness.

You seem to be having difficulty reading my questions. I didn’t say anything about self id or not believing that people lie.

I was asking you about how you would go about discerning who was really trans and who was just faking. How does someone faking being trans differ from someone who is genuinely trans?

Or to put it another way, what are the objective criteria for someone to be genuinely trans?

I don't think you have. You said you thought court ordered psychologists should assess sufferers of prison-onset transness, and I pointed out that transness is officially not a mental illness so cannot be assessed.

So you haven't answered the question. If its not a mental illness, how do we determine who is really trans?

“But what does it mean to you for a mind to be "gendered"?

It means nothing to me as it’s not my belief system.

Hmm forgive me but if you had read all my posts, you would know I have already answered that question more than once. Are you being entirely honest?

There are no objective tests for anything of the mind. Full stop. That has never stopped us before. Something being of the mind can also be real.

No I read all of your posts and all of them led me to the conclusion that you are naive about this issue. Many people are, though the majority aren't quite so keen to confidently school those who've thought about it on more depth.

So anyway, how does one determine who is really trans and who is faking it for convenience?

I don’t know all of gender ideology, much of it I view as a new sort of religion or faith. But yes, if they think the brain is gendered that is not possible. Minds can be gendered, but the brain as in the organ is not.

So if it is just a collection of thought processes and emotions which are going on in someone's mind which are "gendered", then there can be no objective tests for whether a person is trans or not. Is that what you're saying? So "being trans" isn't in any way real.

But what does it mean to you for a mind to be "gendered"? How is this possible and what is the difference between a masculine mind and a feminine one?

I have explained what should be done in place of self-ID early on in the thread.

Do you really think that people do not lie about aspects of their identity ever?

So you only read my last post and then decided to personally insult me.
Lovely.

No I read your posts. Like this one:

I have no issue with people being transgender and wanting to live as the opposite sex. That’s not the issue. The issue to my mind is predators pretending to be transgender when they are not to secure preferential treatment.

How does one pretend to be trans? It's not possible to pretend to be trans when the only definition of being trans is saying you are trans.

And from the same post:

I think self-ID is driving it to be honest. I know it’s a real pain in the arse for transgender people to transition

It's really not a pain on the arse to transition. It's easier than making a cup of tea, you just decide you are and you are. As soon as transness is not a mental illness, it's can't be diagnosed. And as soon as it can't be diagnosed, there's no gatekeeping of who is 'really' trans. Anyone who says they are trans, is trans. Self ID is all there is.

So yeah I stand by my post, you're naive.

You haven't explained how someone can fake being trans when the only criterion for being trans is that someone has to claim that they are. How would you prove that someone wasn't trans if they insisted that they are?

How does someone faking being trans differ from someone who is genuinely trans?

I know all this. Have you skipped all my other posts? You must have as it would be extremely odd to call me “naive” and then post issues with self id that I have already raised.

Yes, this is an area that urgently needs serious research and reporting done on it.

You're so naive.

How does one 'fake being TW'? Being trans is no longer classified as a mental illness, so no court-appointed psychologist is going to assess any males claiming to be trans after arrest. There's nothing to assess, it's officially not a diagnosis.

https://nicic.gov/weblink/being-transgender-no-longer-mental-disorder-apa-2012#:~:text=Transgender%20people%20will%20now%20be,more%20than%2020%20years%20ago.

Anyone who says they're trans, is trans. That's the criteria. And suggesting it is something which can or should be diagnosed is transphobic. Congratulations, you're a TERF.

There is no skewing of figures. How can there be? Every man who claims to be trans upon arrest and desists upon release is trans, because the only criteria to being trans is claiming to be it, temporarily or permanently makes no odds.