Mary Harrington - Why are so many transgender prisoners sex offenders?

A couple of years out of date now but gives an idea. Those who claim to be TW are far more likely than other men to be sex offenders.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

I was disagreeing with this statement:
Sex hormones and hormone fluctuations play a very important part in people’s behaviours. by soontobe60

My response to her was
No they don’t play an important part at all in our behaviours.

Please tell me which statement you agree with, or whether you have a different third opinion. By the way “influence” implies that hormones have an unimportant part to play in affecting behaviour.

Men having 90% of the murderers is going to make any other offence % of convicts very very small.

What do you mean by this?

The % sex offenders among convicts could be high because transwomen do not murder as often as men (for example).

Evidence?

https://torontosun.com/news/national/study-finds-nearly-45-of-trans-women-inmates-convicted-of-sex-crimes

So what is the explanation for the number of transwoman prisoners being sex offenders? Is there a link between violent behaviour towards children and women and the desire of the man to be accepted as a woman?

I don’t need to submit evidence as this is not a court trial. I am confident that if anyone takes the time to read the more recent studies on the causes of violence they will come to a very similar informed opinion.

Perhaps you could post a link or two to help us out.

No, I still disagree with this from your earlier post:

No they don’t play an important part at all in our behaviours.

Are you now agreeing with me that hormones can influence behaviour? The key word is influence. Not that hormones take over so that people no longer have control of their actions. Although some people find it easier than others to control their actions. And some people are more affected by their hormones than others.

I'm not sure why you find this so difficult to understand.

Even evidence that prisoners are de-transitioning once they leave prison is not really evidence that they were not trans whilst in prison. How is this any different from the likes of Eddie Izzard who IDs as a woman for political purposes and a man when he wants a juicy acting role?

we should just go back to the subject of this thread and discuss why male prisoners who identify as women are so often sex offenders.

I think we need to look at the whole pattern of offending. Looking at % of convicts convicted of a sex offence is one very isolated data point with very little context.

What would help is knowing what % of the whole population for each demographic are sex offenders.

% of convicts, it doesn’t tell us much. The % sex offenders among convicts could be high because transwomen do not murder as often as men (for example). Men having 90% of the murderers is going to make any other offence % of convicts very very small.

Needs to be a proper study done.

Not in the least.

I rather think it is relevant. Would you like to be misrepresented in such a fashion even if it was unintentionally done through misunderstanding? Would you not want to clear up any misunderstandings if someone misunderstood you?

I don’t need to submit evidence as this is not a court trial. I am confident that if anyone takes the time to read the more recent studies on the causes of violence they will come to a very similar informed opinion.

As Eresh… has rightly pointed out the cause of violence is a side bar to the main thread. It would be a derailment to turn it into a long winded debate on the causes of violence.

Yes quite right.

Whether or not OldCrone misunderstood your assertion is irrelevant. My point still stands that the chances of you introducing any evidence of your "informed opinions" to this thread are zero.

Sorry, have you suddenly had a change of heart and are now agreeing with me?

I have said repeatedly that there is nothing biological that causes violence.
No matter what hormones are fluctuating, violence is still a deliberate choice made by men to exert power.

They were just as violent as men, but also egalitarian and didn't subjugate the men?

Are you sure you're not just making this up?

Yes I agree that for many of these prisoners they are "fake" trans as in "men who are pretending to pretend to be women" (as pp put it). Trans activists hate the idea of this because according to their narrative nobody would ever pretend to be trans but the alternative is that TW are more likely to be sex offenders. I don't really care which of these is true. I suspect it's a bit of a mixture of the two tbh but how you can ever prove it is beyond me because there is no objective test of who is "true" trans.

Perhaps we should just go back to the subject of this thread and discuss why male prisoners who identify as women are so often sex offenders.

Yes, I think we should.

Sweden did for all FtM who transitioned since 1989

The data doesn't support that as it wasn't disaggregated by sex after 1989. Read the Murray Blackburn Mackenzie analysis I linked to.

Yes that is my informed opinion. I said it is socialisation that causes men to be more violent than women. There was no instance of me ever saying or implying that “men are no more violent than women”

OldCrone has misunderstood my assertion.

Oh dear.

Hormones can affect behaviour without completely taking over the body so that a person has no control over their actions.

Now do you understand?

@OldCrone
I can only assume you're either male or you've led a very sheltered life.
Wrong on both counts.

I think I’d prefer to bow out of any further discussion with you at this point as it seems we have completely different opinions on the cause of violence.

Indeed - it's a feature not a bug 😂

But it is why we have thousands of confused children believing their body is wrong and rapists demanding to go into women's prisons and so many useful idiots all over the place pandering to delusions and untruths.

"I made no such assertion that “men are no more violent than women”
OldCrone has made it up."

Your assertion is that male violence is 100% caused by socialisation. We've all read the thread and know what OldCrone is talking about.

Perhaps we should just go back to the subject of this thread and discuss why male prisoners who identify as women are so often sex offenders.
https://wsau.com/2023/08/25/more-than-half-of-transgender-inmates-in-wisconsin-have-been-convicted-of-a-sex-crime/
It would also seem to be the same in Canada, where I believe that the Inspector of Prisons has stated in the past that of all the prisoners asking for transfer from the male estate to the female estate, 60% were sex offenders.

"...that sex reassignment is coupled to increased crime rate in male-to-females."

My error here in my quoting of the Djehne study, I meant female to male, I typed it up as couldn't copy and paste from the pdf.