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Trans Widows' Escape Committee 6: The Next Generation

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TinselAngel · 24/08/2023 22:30

Welcome to thread 6.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for a reason.

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

The main event this year outisde the thread will hopefully be the release of Vaishnavi Sundar's film about Trans Widows- Behind the Looking Glass

If you would like to donate to help Vaishnavi finish the project, details are here:

Please feel free to say "Hi" below, even if you are not a trans widow, to start the thread off.

Behind The Looking Glass - Teaser - Lime Soda Films Feature-Length Documentary

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Bethabooo · 17/07/2025 20:40

I should add I've also spoken to family services and social services regarding this and they don't seem to concerned about what he is doing ?

Bethabooo · 17/07/2025 20:39

Hi my family knows what's going on and what he is doing although i certainly feel unsupported as they just say o just ignore him he is being silly or mum will say if he wants to be a weirdo let him. I feel they don't understand why I can't get over this. I was doing well then my three year old as I've been doing more shifts has been with him more hours then usual the Tuesday and Thursday. She is at nursery rest of week. I do feel I can't escape this because it has took over my life I hate the fact he is calling himself mummy now. I sent a message to him today out of pure anger basically saying he has confused our daughter and basically saying I never want to speak to him again. He even has the nerve to call himself mummy around me which really hurts. Why does he have to do it Infront of my face.

socialworker222 · 17/07/2025 20:32

So sorry to hear this. I imagine it feels as if you will never be free of him. But your child will get older and things change. I'm wondering what support you have from friends and family, and whether you've been able to start again with your own life free from him? It sounds as if separating, however difficult, is better than being with him? Do you have formal access and custody arrangements?

Bethabooo · 17/07/2025 18:47

Hi i have been told to come in this forum with my struggles. Basically my ex of 6 years well we have a child together I kicked him out of family home broke up with him and for a while managed to block it out because I just didn't communicate with him unless i had to. Well now he is calling himself mummy and it's literally confusing my daughter. I don't know what to do social services don't seem to care apparently men are allowed to do this crap. However it's ruining my life. I already had to put up with his jealousy through my pregnancy and i just feel through our whole relationship he was pretending to be a woman. It's destroyed me mentally and a few times wanted to take my own life because of him.

Chariothorses · 16/07/2025 19:15

@ AxolotolEars - There is a website called childrenoftransitioners.org/ written by various adult children of transpeople\ transitioners. It gives information that is useful for family members and those working with the children affected. You and the grandparents may find the 'Gra submission ' and ' How to help children of transitioners' articles a good place to start.

TinselAngel · 16/07/2025 18:36

AxolotlEars · 16/07/2025 14:33

Hi everyone. I am not a Trans widow but a volunteer for an organisation were support is offered around various challenges in life. I have had a couple in the seventies contact me about the fact their son, who is married and has children, has made an 'announcement' and is wanting them to relate to him as her. I have been reading about trans widows on Mumsnet for a long time. I will direct them towards the trans widow site but does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks for your help.

You’d think that there would be parents in the groups like Bayswater whose trans identifying children are now adults.

There is probably a gap in the market (so to speak) for parents and siblings of adult transitioners. They’re not the same as us, as we can leave our exes but they stay related.

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AxolotlEars · 16/07/2025 14:33

Hi everyone. I am not a Trans widow but a volunteer for an organisation were support is offered around various challenges in life. I have had a couple in the seventies contact me about the fact their son, who is married and has children, has made an 'announcement' and is wanting them to relate to him as her. I have been reading about trans widows on Mumsnet for a long time. I will direct them towards the trans widow site but does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks for your help.

TinselAngel · 13/07/2025 19:18

TheAngryLioness · 13/07/2025 16:09

I tried private therapy but no one understands us I think unless you have been through it. Especially in the current climate of being called tramsphobic if you go against TRAs or even try and put our opinion out there.

You definitely have to sound out therapists first to see if they’re sensible on the topic.

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murasaki · 13/07/2025 18:09

TinselAngel · 13/07/2025 15:47

A lot of people seem to be assuming it’s me though.

I read it and did wonder, sorry.

TheAngryLioness · 13/07/2025 16:09

socialworker222 · 13/07/2025 09:45

And absolutely the NHS wouldn't pay for anything outside their standard offer. Funding for therapies is low and wait times are high. If a TW can afford private help, trying out an initial session with private therapists is best, to see if you get on and particularly to gauge their response to our fairly unusual and unique story.

I tried private therapy but no one understands us I think unless you have been through it. Especially in the current climate of being called tramsphobic if you go against TRAs or even try and put our opinion out there.

TinselAngel · 13/07/2025 15:47

A lot of people seem to be assuming it’s me though.

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TinselAngel · 13/07/2025 15:42

socialworker222 · 13/07/2025 14:24

Article makes it sound as if her group is new?

Yes.

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socialworker222 · 13/07/2025 14:24

Article makes it sound as if her group is new?

TinselAngel · 13/07/2025 10:33

There’s an article in the Mail today which says it is about a woman who started the trans widows group finally speaking out. For avoidance of confusion it is not me.

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socialworker222 · 13/07/2025 09:45

And absolutely the NHS wouldn't pay for anything outside their standard offer. Funding for therapies is low and wait times are high. If a TW can afford private help, trying out an initial session with private therapists is best, to see if you get on and particularly to gauge their response to our fairly unusual and unique story.

socialworker222 · 13/07/2025 09:40

You're correct that there are restrictions on delivering therapy in different countries and states ie parts of the US. There are ways round it and were you to find someone online you could just check that out individually.

TheAngryLioness · 12/07/2025 23:38

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 22:35

I did look it up and if you are a therapist in another country who is licensed in that other country, you really can't do therapy with people in the UK via tele health. That's just what Google said and it is wrong at times obviously.

If I ever do get my therapy license I would like to be able to work with people in other countries, but would the NHS pay for it? From what I read its better to do it as coaching but that distinction between therapy and coaching can be a fine line.

I hope therapists there don't decide not to take trandwidows, that seems unethical.

I hadn't no. Just googled though x

TheAngryLioness · 12/07/2025 23:36

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 21:57

Have you heard of grey rocking?

I hadn't no. Just googled though x

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 22:35

Dumbo12 · 12/07/2025 22:00

I'm not sure what you mean by rules? People may access private care from wherever they choose, provided they can pay. If people are accessing care through the NHS, then they are limited to what the NHS will provide.

I did look it up and if you are a therapist in another country who is licensed in that other country, you really can't do therapy with people in the UK via tele health. That's just what Google said and it is wrong at times obviously.

If I ever do get my therapy license I would like to be able to work with people in other countries, but would the NHS pay for it? From what I read its better to do it as coaching but that distinction between therapy and coaching can be a fine line.

I hope therapists there don't decide not to take trandwidows, that seems unethical.

Dumbo12 · 12/07/2025 22:00

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 21:47

I'm wondering what the rules are on seeing a therapist online who is in a different country. That could be a possibility.

I'm not sure what you mean by rules? People may access private care from wherever they choose, provided they can pay. If people are accessing care through the NHS, then they are limited to what the NHS will provide.

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 21:57

TheAngryLioness · 11/07/2025 11:19

Thank you for your kind words and guiding a path for seeing the light following your awful experience. I do not want to see my husband (not ex yet) but unfortunately will have to as I have 2 beautiful children with him and do not wish more misery for them and making them choose between parents. I dont know how i can have zero contact with him because of our children. Its going to kill me.

Have you heard of grey rocking?

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 21:56

Chariothorses · 12/07/2025 19:42

@Groutyonehereagain To reassure you ( if you don' t mind a CoT butting in!), I would not have rebuilt the close relationship with my grandmother after a long gap if she had remained close to my father, and accepted his awful behaviour to us. Boundaries matter.
There are no easy decisions in this.

Have you found any support online? It seems there really is none for children of these guys or for children of closeted people who were in hetero marriages.

It was my daughter's step dad and I'm grateful she has been able to heal and move on. Things got awful for both of us after the divorce. I think going through two divorces was just terrible for her and I still feel guilty for bringing him into her life.

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 21:49

TinselAngel · 10/07/2025 15:44

I don’t require extra accommodations because of my experience as a trans widow. It makes me wiser, not more susceptible.

My well founded caution is based on experience gained via several years of doing this, and most importantly on prioritising the safeguarding of women, not on some kind of irrationality based on trauma.

You perpetually assume the worst in everything I have posted. I dont know why, but its a pattern. I haven't said a thing about you being irrational. I'm done arguing with you.

I don't require extra accommodations for being a trans widow either. I dont know what your issue is with me, but you seem to think I'm some TRA or something. I'm fine with that, I really wanted to have interesting conversations with everyone here but it seems impossible with you. And that's fine. I wish you well.

MyKindLimeCrow · 12/07/2025 21:47

Dumbo12 · 10/07/2025 16:05

When the stance of the registering bodies of therapeutic and allied professions, is one of parotting TWAW and the unions who those professionals belong to, do the same, then finding a therapist who will actually work with trans widows will be difficult imo.

I'm wondering what the rules are on seeing a therapist online who is in a different country. That could be a possibility.

Chariothorses · 12/07/2025 19:42

@Groutyonehereagain To reassure you ( if you don' t mind a CoT butting in!), I would not have rebuilt the close relationship with my grandmother after a long gap if she had remained close to my father, and accepted his awful behaviour to us. Boundaries matter.
There are no easy decisions in this.

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