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Trans Widows' Escape Committee 6: The Next Generation

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TinselAngel · 24/08/2023 22:30

Welcome to thread 6.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for a reason.

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

The main event this year outisde the thread will hopefully be the release of Vaishnavi Sundar's film about Trans Widows- Behind the Looking Glass

If you would like to donate to help Vaishnavi finish the project, details are here:

Please feel free to say "Hi" below, even if you are not a trans widow, to start the thread off.

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LarkLane · 08/11/2023 23:34

@ImNotWorthy Women come to this dedicated thread for support and help. The specific purpose of these long running threads has been explained to you several times. Please engage your brain, stop derailing, and let women be supported.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2023 23:18

If you cared about the women on this thread, you would listen to Tinsel when she states her firm boundaries, rather than derail the thread with this self justifying screed. So I question why you are continuing to post @ImNotWorthy

ImNotWorthy · 08/11/2023 23:09

Right back at you.

You vilified me for nothing. I did nothing wrong. I acted in a principled way. I explained as clearly as I could. Rather unfairly, I thought, you deflected your anger at the other poster onto me.

If you want to know more about me, then you should AS the name Sequential Analyst, where you will find many current posts on many different topics.
Unfortunately, I was stuck with this name on this thread because I posted with a temporary name change, which had nothing to do with this thread.

TinselAngel · 08/11/2023 21:45

And now I am banished for ever....for acting in good faith, thinking the best of people till I am proved wrong, and having an open mind.
No you are banished for calling a group of abused women prejudiced against men like their abusers. Desist. You are making a fool of yourself and will put trans widows off posting on this support thread.

You're the second poster this week to be disappointed with me having boundaries. It's still not going to stop me protecting the women on this thread.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2023 21:37

@ImNotWorthy read the room, this thread is not about you, and continuing to derail it, as well as your astonishingly crass "intervention" on behalf of a man is starting to look quite suspect.

ImNotWorthy · 08/11/2023 21:33

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TinselAngel · 08/11/2023 21:24

Mommyisnotsilent · 06/11/2023 04:36

Thank you everyone for your support... I guess I am grasping at how to deal with all of this. On top of the abuse I endured and continue to endure I feel the need to fight to not be replaced as our child's mother. For legal reasons, I can't use images... I refuse to speak over the phone, written media is best for many reasons. It's kinda hard to gaslight someone when it's right there in black and white...

We have two recognized Holidays Thanksgiving and Christmas. Every other year we switch off. He gets Thanksgiving this year. Of course, he's going to attempt to ignore the written final orders and do as he pleases and attempt to manipulate me. He always demands for way more time when he does intend to take her for a Holiday but again doesn't utilize regular visitation.

I reply like I usually do with the correct times and dates for visitation. With very little emotion. I'm cordial. He then says that he will be picking her up from her daycare and that they won't mind her other mother picking her up. Then he says that he has attempted to give me peace while he recovers and that he will always be her mother and will never stop being her mother, and I can't stop him.

She doesn't go to daycare, she goes to prek. He never asks about her. He says he is recovering from what? Who knows probably another lie to cover up the fact that he has the capability to speak to our daughter over the phone and hasn't for over a month. It wouldn't be the first time he has lied about some mythological illness or procedure.

Yeah, he would show up at her school. When we lived in the same state he did. She was in an early education program and the staff were a bit spooked. Nope, it wasn't during his visitation time either. He doesn't pass at all I don't think he even tries. It's more manipulation and control... But this is why I struggle I guess... The final does state that I have sole decision on education.

He doesn't care about our child... He's in deep arrears with child support. BTW, the child support system in America is terrible too. Next month he will owe over 8k. I wish he would get bored already and go find a new hobby.

I'm actively trying to find a therapist for my child. There's over a year long waiting list. I can't take him back to court unless he disappears for at least six months and even then they may not do anything. Five and a half months is the longest he's gone.

I am part of some groups that support survivors of domestic abuse forced to co-parent and deal with court and post separation abuse but this transgender thing, feeling that he is literally attempting to replace me as her mother, is beyond their understanding.

If you've made it this far into my ramblings thank you, if you haven't and skimmed until this last sentence I don't blame you... It's a lot...

I think if he's not seeing her very often, and you keep things reality based, she will grow up knowing full well who her mother is, no matter what he tries to tell her.

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TinselAngel · 08/11/2023 21:22

To me, in my innocent naivety,

Next time do your research before butting in on a support thread.

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ImNotWorthy · 08/11/2023 20:58

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socialworker222 · 07/11/2023 19:54

We get it, to differing degrees. So sorry about child support. He sounds as wrapped up in himself as many of our exes are, and selectively dipping into parenthood as it suits him. Being civil and clear and keeping records is really important and will help you feel more in control. The older kids get the more they see things as they are. I'm just sorry that the systems around you are so woefully inadequate.

Mommyisnotsilent · 06/11/2023 04:36

Thank you everyone for your support... I guess I am grasping at how to deal with all of this. On top of the abuse I endured and continue to endure I feel the need to fight to not be replaced as our child's mother. For legal reasons, I can't use images... I refuse to speak over the phone, written media is best for many reasons. It's kinda hard to gaslight someone when it's right there in black and white...

We have two recognized Holidays Thanksgiving and Christmas. Every other year we switch off. He gets Thanksgiving this year. Of course, he's going to attempt to ignore the written final orders and do as he pleases and attempt to manipulate me. He always demands for way more time when he does intend to take her for a Holiday but again doesn't utilize regular visitation.

I reply like I usually do with the correct times and dates for visitation. With very little emotion. I'm cordial. He then says that he will be picking her up from her daycare and that they won't mind her other mother picking her up. Then he says that he has attempted to give me peace while he recovers and that he will always be her mother and will never stop being her mother, and I can't stop him.

She doesn't go to daycare, she goes to prek. He never asks about her. He says he is recovering from what? Who knows probably another lie to cover up the fact that he has the capability to speak to our daughter over the phone and hasn't for over a month. It wouldn't be the first time he has lied about some mythological illness or procedure.

Yeah, he would show up at her school. When we lived in the same state he did. She was in an early education program and the staff were a bit spooked. Nope, it wasn't during his visitation time either. He doesn't pass at all I don't think he even tries. It's more manipulation and control... But this is why I struggle I guess... The final does state that I have sole decision on education.

He doesn't care about our child... He's in deep arrears with child support. BTW, the child support system in America is terrible too. Next month he will owe over 8k. I wish he would get bored already and go find a new hobby.

I'm actively trying to find a therapist for my child. There's over a year long waiting list. I can't take him back to court unless he disappears for at least six months and even then they may not do anything. Five and a half months is the longest he's gone.

I am part of some groups that support survivors of domestic abuse forced to co-parent and deal with court and post separation abuse but this transgender thing, feeling that he is literally attempting to replace me as her mother, is beyond their understanding.

If you've made it this far into my ramblings thank you, if you haven't and skimmed until this last sentence I don't blame you... It's a lot...

nauticant · 05/11/2023 21:18

Vaishnavi Sundar was a guest on tonight's Free Speech Nation on GB News talking about her film about trans widows:

(the link goes directly to her segment starting shortly before the 28 minute point)
Chariothorses · 05/11/2023 20:51

Just delurking to agree with @Delphinium20. We realise when

  • he fails to respect our privacy, in public & private, as teens, as he's 'a girl too'
  • we get fed up of his unending nasty comments about you (and women generally) -we'll still shout at you tho as -well you're our mum!
And a word of advice- don't try and force daughters to have unsupervised visits with dads if they are reluctant, or avoid telling the truth as you want to protect them. In the long term, it won't help your relationship with us. (will now go back to occasional lurking!)
Delphinium20 · 05/11/2023 20:02

I forgot to add that most kids figure out who the crappy parent is around age 12/13. He will do this on his own. You just have to be the source of consistent love and structure.

Delphinium20 · 05/11/2023 19:58

@Mommyisnotsilent

I don't have personal experience as a trans widow but I do have loads of experience as a mom :). First off, you ARE her only mommy. No amount of word games will change that. When she goes to school, it will be obvious to her that the women are her friends' moms and she will have comfort knowing you are her mom just like her friends' moms. Of course, schools are captured so an activist teacher or a busybody parent may try to mess with her, but parents need to be vigilant for more than just trans ideology and I would be prepared for this. It comes with the territory. So, I would continue doing what you are doing, "I am your mommy. Daddy is being silly. I love you. Mommies are women, Daddies are men." Keep it simple, say it confidently and don't punish her when or if she fights you on this because she's trying to figure out her place in a world of contradictions. She's been put in a terrible position by her father and your best defense is love and confidence that you are her only mommy and you will always be there for her. Kids need stability and continuity and at some point, maybe not until she has kids of her own, she will realize who her good and stable parent is. Hang in here. 3 is tough age and their power struggles have to be met with patient (and omg is that difficult at times!) loving consistency.

socialworker222 · 05/11/2023 18:34

Sorry to hear this Mommy. You are and always will be her only mother. It is ironic that the asserting of a whole new made-up identity includes taking yours. Hold on to the fact that you are there, you are bringing her up, kids work this stuff out and your health and wellbeing and life, and your daughter's, matter more than any of his idiocy. However exhausting do keep records of his contact.

socialworker222 · 05/11/2023 18:28

ImNotWorthy · 04/11/2023 17:45

I wasn't derailing, I was on topic. I was trained to challenge prejudice as part of becoming a CAB worker, no matter who it was I had to challenge. I was not policing the thread - nobody can, except MN. I still don't understand people's thoughts, thoughConfused

@TinselAngel this is a great thread. I'll relurk. ArchersTardis

To hopefully help you understand, this is a safe place for people in a vulnerable and isolated position to speak their experience and receive support. Women will not feel safe seeking support in a place where a self-declared 'transgender rights advocate' posts. It's very simple and a matter of respect and sensitivity.

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 21:33

If he only turns up occasionally then his influence on your daughter will hopefully be pretty limited.

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Mommyisnotsilent · 04/11/2023 21:32

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 21:25

Can you stick to the letter of the custody agreement? (ie don't allow longer periods) It's up to him if he doesn't take the weekends up.

Yup, this is what I do. I stick to the final agreement when ever possible. There have been times in the past before the final was signed that I made the mistake of allowing changes and it blew back in my face. You give and inch and they take six miles sort of thing.

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 21:25

Can you stick to the letter of the custody agreement? (ie don't allow longer periods) It's up to him if he doesn't take the weekends up.

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Mommyisnotsilent · 04/11/2023 21:20

Okay, um... I am totally confused about what just happened with the not supposed to post here or is supposed to but someone asked a question so I'll respond to that.

First, I sort of skimmed over the seat belt issue because it was my toddler doing what she is doing right now, pushing boundaries exploring and learning. Kids do that, I get that. I did end up telling her that the car won't move until she choses to be safe and be buckled. She's actually yelled at me before about not wearing a buckle in a parking lot. So, it wasn't really about that or her testing...

It was deeper than that and thank you to those who did for the support, I really needed it.

So, we are in the states. My ex started court proceedings when I escaped. I say escape because I really did escape while he was out. At that point, I wasn't even allowed to step outside or talk to anyone. Sometimes he would keep my phone.

Eventually, I was able to get an attorney and the ex and I signed a final agreement lifting a geographic restriction. I moved with our child a year ago. It has been a continued uphill battle. Welfare checks, threats, times where he disappears and I think it's finally over only for him to pop up again. Like today, before today it had been over a month since he had messaged.

He is supposed to get a weekend visitation once a month but he has never utilized this option stating that it's not feasible. He gets Thanksgiving and Christmas every other year. This year I get Christmas and he gets Thanksgiving. I allow him phone calls but he rarely ever calls. There's a clause in the final that states contact must be consistent but he hasn't done that. He's always argued over the times and dates of possession. Like now, he's asking for a ridiculous amount of time because he choses to drive rather than fly for his possession time. He also calls his partner whom I doubt he will ever marry our child's father. Which is not fair to her at all.

It's a cluster F*ck. It really is. There is no shred left of the man I knew when I first met him. But if you know, you know... Abusers seldom wear red flags...

Will he pick our child up for visitation? Who knows... But our court system is utter junk and survivors of DV are often blamed and abusers are rarely held accountable. So, I can't stop him if he does actually show up. I can't force him to get help and be a consistent part of her life. I can't afford a good attorney, or private detective, who would go to bat for my child. So as long as he keeps showing up a few times a year he can keep interfering with our child's growth and development.

He has two other children. One he has never met who is eight, one who is eleven he hasn't seen since the child was a year and a half old. The amount of child support he owes all of us is insane. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad...

Oh, and I would never ever blame my child or harbor resentment or anything like that. She's a child... She wasn't asked to be born let alone have to deal with all this... Confusion...

For a time, I did call my ex her "other parent." But she was confused by that as well. She kept asking about her Daddy. I know my ex's partner will not be around forever. I was the longest relationship he had ever had. To clear confusion, I show her pictures of her biological father. What he looked like back then and what he looks like now. I try to keep it simple. But I don't want to encourage his choice of being called Mommy. I'm her mother, even though his abuse makes it feel like I am not sometimes... I shouldn't have to encourage it. I think it's important to note that this is most likely another mask he will wear for a few years enforced by public opinion and social media... He's already stopped attempting to pass. When drag wasn't enough, this was the next shiny object he could garner attention for. When it diminishes and becomes too much work he will move on. The same can be said for his relationship/s.

Sorry for writing this long... This is honestly the only place I feel heard at and supported by actual peers.

Thank you for that, really I mean it.

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 17:46

I'll relurk

Please do.

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ImNotWorthy · 04/11/2023 17:45

I wasn't derailing, I was on topic. I was trained to challenge prejudice as part of becoming a CAB worker, no matter who it was I had to challenge. I was not policing the thread - nobody can, except MN. I still don't understand people's thoughts, thoughConfused

@TinselAngel this is a great thread. I'll relurk. ArchersTardis

TinselAngel · 04/11/2023 17:21

Mommyisnotsilent · 04/11/2023 03:16

Hey everyone,

I've been gone for a little while. Life happened. Then today hit me like a train flying off the tracks. Allow me to explain please...

I left my abusive ex when our child was a year old. Shortly after he claimed that he's transgender. Soon after he started demanding that I and our child call him female pronouns and our child should call him, "mommy." No, not just mommy, all of the pronouns. I tried asking him to pick one to avoid confusion. He called me transphobic again. So, our child came back from summer visitation stating that she has two moms and a daddy. Oh, yeah he calls his partner her daddy. No they aren't married.

It's been just over a month since he has last talked to our child. She's three now. I thought I had a break through a couple of weeks ago when I showed her two different pictures of her father. How he looked before and after and how they look very much the same. The only difference is the longer hair and heavy cover up. He still has a five oclock shadow. No, he isn't concerned about passing. Like, at all. My daughter understood it clearly and I wanted to jump up shout and celebrate. She has been so damn confused by his actions. She looked at me and said, "Daddy is silly isn't he?" And I said, "Yes but that's a grown up problem you don't have to worry about."

Then today... When we were have some er difficulties... She never went through terrible two's. So, yeah. Hello terrible threes? Anyhow, she was pushing boundaries about not putting her seat belt on and I wasn't having it. Normally, she will wait for me to buckle her she even helps by pulling the buckle over her head. Today? Nope, even after explaining she wanted to be stubborn. She finally let me buckle her when I stepped back, pulled out my phone and acted as if I wasn't budging until she put her seat belt on. (don't laugh, she's pouting, don't laugh!) I said to myself. She has the cutest pout.

I buckle my seat belt and she says to me... "I'm going to my new home with my other Mommy and Daddy." I stopped and swallowed hard. "Do you mean me?" I asked. "No. My other Mommy." I ah, it hurt... I know she didn't mean it but it hurt. I expected to hear from my child, "I don't like you," or "I hate you," Or "I'm going to run away." I didn't expect to hear that.

I took the drive to the store to think about what to say. When I got there I opened her door and explained everything all over again.

I cried the first time I felt her kick. For the first time in my life a pregnancy was holding. I was going to be a mother and it made me cry tears of joy. Oh, I blubbered! When she was born I didn't want to put her down or let her go. Before I gave birth I thought that I might not be able to breast feed. It always sounded weird to me. The first time I breast fed, I cried again. I loved her the minute I knew she was there.

But in times like this... I suddenly find myself feeling like I am not her mother. Like something was taken from me, violently. There have been other times when she's been gone at visitation with him or when she's come back and it takes her awhile to adapt to being back. It hurts. It feels unreal. I feel numb. I hate it. I don't feel like a mother. It feels like there's a giant gaping hole inside of me. Yeah, I'm in therapy, yeah I've been diagnosed with PTSD... But there are times where I don't have anyone to talk to.

I'm 44 with a three year old with an abusive ex who is using a real mental illness to continue abusing me through our child. This is beyond fetishes and dysphoria... I hate that he can still impact me like this. But tonight I find myself trying to get that feeling of motherhood back. I'm her mother... Right?

Anyway, hopefully the derail will end here.

Of course you are her mother. Don't let your reality be played with.

It is horrible that your ex is allowed to confuse your daughter like this. What is your custody arrangement? The danger of trying to change that though is the potential for it backfiring.

I think that it is important for children to be kept in touch with truth and reality. What is an age appropriate truth here? Maybe you could take the approach of "I say he and refer to him as Daddy because to me, that's what he is. When you're at Daddy's house it's up to you and Daddy what you call him."

When she's older it will be appropriate and understandable to her to say "I say he and Daddy because legally and biologically that's what he is."

Unfortunately you can't control this, you can only try and keep your grip on reality as firm as possible. I'm so sorry you're going through this. Flowers

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ImNotWorthy · 04/11/2023 17:14

All the best to everyone.

I am currently using a recent temporary username. So Advanced Search on this name won't find me.

I am really SequentialAnalyst. If you want to see what I think about a wide range of subjects, do please Advanced Search me Smile

I am always happy to read PMs as well. BrewBrew

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