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Amanda Abbington and Strictly.

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PriamFarrl · 06/08/2023 23:41

I never watch Strictly, but it seems that her being on it is causing some conflict.

I did a quick look but couldn’t see a thread.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/strictly-come-dancing-fans-divided-27466760?fbclid=IwAR1iNqoQHvU6tlsap3W1iWz7oG81Sp0Qimp81rzzd5XAU9fB4NLm_LgE47w_aem_AWkW94vOg0i7vw4ncasDUMNwbDACoxFIhz_Dsisy4LT9Nv0k-aEB-k7pqbT5hptMzeU#ll00z8fhy5yfgk5qz3

Strictly Come Dancing fans divided as some say they will be avoiding 2023 series

"I’m alright thanks, pal"

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/strictly-come-dancing-fans-divided-27466760?fbclid=IwAR1iNqoQHvU6tlsap3W1iWz7oG81Sp0Qimp81rzzd5XAU9fB4NLm_LgE47w_aem_AWkW94vOg0i7vw4ncasDUMNwbDACoxFIhz_Dsisy4LT9Nv0k-aEB-k7pqbT5hptMzeU#ll00z8fhy5yfgk5qz3

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irfgy · 24/08/2026 15:19

there were other reports of GPs behaviour, from
other celebrities. Not an isolated case. So arrogant for him to diss her in public now.

booksnbaking · 24/08/2026 15:13

ilovebrie8 · 24/08/2026 14:17

Thanks @booksnbaking

You can often open the archive version of those subscription-only links by typing archive.ph/ before the full URL of the link. (A few publications have got wise to it.) If the article isn't already saved to archive, you can archive it yourself there.

ilovebrie8 · 24/08/2026 14:17

Thanks @booksnbaking

booksnbaking · 24/08/2026 10:00

ilovebrie8 · 23/08/2026 19:59

Does anyone know how you can read the article without a subscription?

Here's the archive link.

Lottapianos · 24/08/2026 09:05

'Including a revealing interview she did with newsnight (I think it was from memory).'

She was on Channel 4 news too, interviewed by Krishnan Guru-Murthy, who was a contestant on the same series of Strictly as her. He obviously found her entirely credible

'I read one of the dm articles and found it telling that giovanni says not one pro supported him even privately. Which he puts down to jealousy.'

Well of course. How convenient 🙄

IwantToRetire · 24/08/2026 01:06

pickledandpuzzled · 20/08/2026 21:35

I’m glad she has the validation, to be honest, and that the naysayers have to admit there was enough fire the Beeb were obliged to pay her.

Which article? If it is the Guardian one, unless it is against your principles because it is the Guardian, I think you just have to sign in, or to begin with create an account. I think this is what I must have done I certainly dont subscribe. See top right hand corner.

GrimDamnFanjo · 24/08/2026 00:55

I read one of the dm articles and found it telling that giovanni says not one pro supported him even privately. Which he puts down to jealousy.

ilovebrie8 · 23/08/2026 19:59

Does anyone know how you can read the article without a subscription?

IwantToRetire · 23/08/2026 18:54

Gothambutnotahamster · 23/08/2026 16:39

I never heard any specifics of what the allegations were - where can I find that info?

Suggest you start at the beginning of this thread. It covers from when there was first publicity about there being an issue, and gradually more came out. Including a revealing interview she did with newsnight (I think it was from memory).

pickledandpuzzled · 23/08/2026 17:06

I read it on here I think- but I find feminists on here pretty accurate so don’t tend to worry about checking sources.

Gothambutnotahamster · 23/08/2026 16:39

pickledandpuzzled · 23/08/2026 15:05

I was a bit shocked to hear what the ‘not so bad’ allegations that were found, were. They were pretty bad, for him to be crowing about it.

I never heard any specifics of what the allegations were - where can I find that info?

ilovebrie8 · 23/08/2026 16:36

There’s an article in the daily mail today about Giovanni but can’t read it.

pickledandpuzzled · 23/08/2026 15:05

I was a bit shocked to hear what the ‘not so bad’ allegations that were found, were. They were pretty bad, for him to be crowing about it.

Lottapianos · 23/08/2026 10:35

'Other female contestants have backed AA up, but that hardly matters - he was found to have done it, and shouldn't be given space to gaslight her in the media, full stop.'

Totally agree. Unfortunately there are some who still believe he was totally innocent and that she was just a troublemaker, so his gaslighting will still attract eyeballs I guess

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 23/08/2026 05:48

IwantToRetire · 20/08/2026 18:03

Amanda Abbington awarded five-figure sum by BBC over bullying allegations on Strictly
BBC apologises to actor after review upholds ‘some’ of her allegations against dance partner Giovanni Pernice
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/aug/17/amanda-abbington-settlement-bbc-giovanni-pernice-bullying-allegations-strictly-come-dancing

I think this news is a couple of days old and am sure other news outlets have covered it.

But thought it worth adding to the thread.

Hadn't realised it was as much as 2 years ago.

Wonder how much pressure the "negotiations" with BBC have continued to put pressure on her.

Flowers

Agreed. And I'm really appalled to see Digital Spy and similar outlets have given Pernice a platform to diss her after the bullying accusations were upheld.

Other female contestants have backed AA up, but that hardly matters - he was found to have done it, and shouldn't be given space to gaslight her in the media, full stop.

I don't agree with AA's views on many things, but I think she was really brave calling this out and deserved so much more. Exposing the bullying culture at Strictly (and therfore helping others to come forward) was important and I'm sure personally very damaging to her. She's owed every penny and more.

pickledandpuzzled · 20/08/2026 21:35

I’m glad she has the validation, to be honest, and that the naysayers have to admit there was enough fire the Beeb were obliged to pay her.

Lottapianos · 20/08/2026 20:06

Really glad for her that she's had some financial compensation. Can't imagine what she's been through in the past couple of years

IwantToRetire · 20/08/2026 18:03

Amanda Abbington awarded five-figure sum by BBC over bullying allegations on Strictly
BBC apologises to actor after review upholds ‘some’ of her allegations against dance partner Giovanni Pernice
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/aug/17/amanda-abbington-settlement-bbc-giovanni-pernice-bullying-allegations-strictly-come-dancing

I think this news is a couple of days old and am sure other news outlets have covered it.

But thought it worth adding to the thread.

Hadn't realised it was as much as 2 years ago.

Wonder how much pressure the "negotiations" with BBC have continued to put pressure on her.

Flowers

Amanda Abbington awarded five-figure sum by BBC over bullying allegations on Strictly

BBC apologises to actor after review upholds ‘some’ of her allegations against dance partner Giovanni Pernice

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/aug/17/amanda-abbington-settlement-bbc-giovanni-pernice-bullying-allegations-strictly-come-dancing

NigellaAwesome · 24/10/2024 21:37

There was a bit when they were up in the Clauditorium, I think it was the week before she left, where he was pawing at her, I think it was her shoulder, and she reacted so viscerally, like get the fuck off me! I noticed it at the time and it all makes sense now.

It was obvious in the Newsnight interview how traumatised she is.

JoodyBlueToo · 03/10/2024 18:23

I believe her. Also watching some of the dances back on video made me feel very uncomfortable given her evident distress in the interviews. Especially the Salsa in week two. As she said there are 200 hours of footage. If there was nothing to see I suspect the BBC would have released it. Awful!!

HazardLights · 03/10/2024 16:51

MarieDeGournay · 03/10/2024 16:15

I can't help wondering what would have happened had AA just walked out after the very first incident of harassment. The BBC probably would have tried to spin it as something else - injury, prior commitments or something, and she would have been leaned on to go along with that.
The real reason would have emerged - these things always do - it would have hit social media, and, I suspect, AA would have been called a crybaby and subjected to online abuse anyway.
A woman's place is in the wrong.

A woman's place is in the wrong.

That sums it all up perfectly.

There is no way to not compound the trauma for women, and I would bet on my life that Amanda would have known that and was still brave enough to step forward.

Signalbox · 03/10/2024 16:22

And this is why women so rarely complain about sexual harassment and bullying - because however they respond, they are told they are in the wrong.

Yes it's always... "why didn't the women speak out at the time - if they'd come forward sooner they might have helped prevent others from being abused".

This is why.

TheMarzipanDildo · 03/10/2024 16:17

MarieDeGournay · 03/10/2024 09:33

By chance, I happened to catch most of the Newsnight interview.
I know next to nothing about Amanda Abbington, I have never having seen her on telly, I do not watch Strictly, and I haven't been following this thread on MN.

I found her account of being sexually harassed in the workplace, and how she dealt with it, very convincing. I can't see how anyone could defend that behaviour, and I could understand that it was so shocking that she initially went into a 'WTF-just-get-through-this-unbelievable-behaviour' kind of shut-down. But I understand she did complain to the BBC at an early stage?

The interviewer had rather a stern affect, she was either going out of her way to appear not to give AA an easy ride in the interests of journalistic integrity, or she actually wanted to minimise AA's negative experience at the BBC. It was hard to tell, but she sprang Sarah Vine's article on AA without the 'I know this is hard but some people will say....' intro that's common when interviewing people recounting painful experiences.

It was odd when her follow-up question to AA talking about the death/rape threats she, and her daughter, had received was 'How many?' - a strange question, unless she wanted to establish that it was just one or two online cranks; or on the other hand wanted to give AA a chance to explain the huge scale of the online abuse she has received.
AA's weary reply o 'Oh, hundreds' was very telling, and I think I heard a surprised 'Really?' in the background from the interviewer.

The Sarah Vine bit was horrible, I had to skip through it. And what a bizarre article to write without actually knowing what was in the report.

MarieDeGournay · 03/10/2024 16:15

I can't help wondering what would have happened had AA just walked out after the very first incident of harassment. The BBC probably would have tried to spin it as something else - injury, prior commitments or something, and she would have been leaned on to go along with that.
The real reason would have emerged - these things always do - it would have hit social media, and, I suspect, AA would have been called a crybaby and subjected to online abuse anyway.
A woman's place is in the wrong.

RoyalCorgi · 03/10/2024 16:14

Abbington is being put in an impossible position. On the one hand, people are saying that her tears and distress show she's not a very resilient person, and she should have been willing to accept it as banter and just get on with the job. On the other hand, when she says that for a while she did try and get on with it, people seem to think that demonstrates she wasn't really upset by it.

And this is why women so rarely complain about sexual harassment and bullying - because however they respond, they are told they are in the wrong.

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