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MattDamon · 28/07/2024 19:35

Twitter journos cooing over how amazing 'she' is. Can only hope this brings attention to what is happening.

Helleofabore · 28/07/2024 19:13

MattDamon · 28/07/2024 19:03

Australia currently being trounced by Banda with a hat trick in the first half. Appalling that FIFA has let this happen and not a single mainstream journo bothering to report on it.

I am just reading the live stream as I cannot see the live game. It sounds like Banda is dominating the game completely. All I can read is Banda Banda Banda on the ABC live feed.

MattDamon · 28/07/2024 19:03

Australia currently being trounced by Banda with a hat trick in the first half. Appalling that FIFA has let this happen and not a single mainstream journo bothering to report on it.

Helleofabore · 26/07/2024 05:17

Catsmere · 25/07/2024 22:27

"Football" here means Australian Rules. That's the popular game. This is soccer in Australian parlance. I don't know how much general attention it will get, mostly because I avoid anything to do with any ball games.

ahhh! Football means different things in different states though. In Queensland and NSW, it is more usually referring to League and /or Union.

However, I have heard soccer followers use ‘football’ and ‘soccer’ interchangeably though, depending on who they are speaking to, if they watch any European games. But soccer is pretty popular in parts of Sydney when you consider it is a safe game for kids. And of course, soccer was once more popular as a sport women could play and have their own team in than cricket or other football. Of course, not as popular as other sports though like netball, hockey, and basketball.

Catsmere · 25/07/2024 22:27

KiteofUncertainty · 18/07/2023 08:52

@Helleofabore
Good points. (Sadly.) Quite a lot has happened since Hubbard and Thomas were in the news and I hope the fact that it is football, that it is one more example, may tip public opinion over the edge and push politicians into a rethink. Although if the public have accepted this unfairness in swimming, which they care about so much... It's a shame Tickle Vs Giggle has not yet been adjudicated.

"Football" here means Australian Rules. That's the popular game. This is soccer in Australian parlance. I don't know how much general attention it will get, mostly because I avoid anything to do with any ball games.

ChateauMargaux · 25/07/2024 22:10

Aha... so that's one of the athletes that journalists have been advised not to speculate about... I wonder whether there are others..

This article.. while it has many flaws... places the blame clearly at the door of FIFA.. in this case.... footballs insistance on remaining silent on this topic is truly shameful.

'FIFA, and as a result CAF, don’t have rules setting any limits for testosterone levels for female players, as other sports do. They don’t broach the subject of sex variations in female athletes, which other sports have. Neither soccer bodies give a clear guide on how players should have their sex “verified” but they both put the onus on teams to do it.
And so, team doctors are interpreting the regulations “the way they want,”
https://apnews.com/article/zambia-banda-womens-world-cup-79520a0f06bf1c91a18fbeacfdd2fbec

FILE - South African long distance athlete Caster Semenya on her way to winning the 5,000 meters at the South African national championships in Pretoria, South Africa, Thursday, April 15, 2021. Track and field banned transgender athletes from internati...

Track bans transgender athletes, tightens rules for Semenya

Track and field has banned transgender athletes from international competition while adopting new regulations that could keep Caster Semenya and other athletes with differences in sex development from competing.

https://apnews.com/article/transgender-track-semenya-f3499b00b932948f96838adb3b010f11

kiterunning · 25/07/2024 21:02

At least Zambia are being pasted.

kiterunning · 25/07/2024 20:31

So fucking sick of these cheats

MattDamon · 25/07/2024 20:08

Banda is playing with the Zambia women's team at the Olympics. Commentators currently gushing.

Emotionalsupportviper · 06/03/2024 19:13

WickedSerious · 18/07/2023 10:47

'Excluded due to "manly body".

That's the trouble with men.they have manly bodies.

Incredible, eh?

Who knew!

KiteofUncertainty · 06/03/2024 19:06

I thought your previous post was saying that male teenagers dropped from women's academies in Europe would be a problem.
I didn't see/register your last sentence, sorry.

We are posting at cross purposes.

Needmoresleep · 06/03/2024 18:20

I cant see why a male teenager from a poor country, who has been dropped by a European football academy and who then, rather than go home, decides they identify as female in order to get signed by a women's team, is a men's football problem.

At the moment rules are not clear and chromosome wise these boys will have the same chromosome profile as some with DSDs, the sort of DSD where something has gone wrong with the external appearance of genitals but where testes exist internally.

Given the recent story of Spanish soldiers and police identifying as female to get better benefits, it would be absolutely logical for young sportsmen to do the same in order to get professional footballing job. Transwomen are allowed in University women's teams and elsewhere and US and European teams are signing men with DSDs.

Rules need to be clarified and adhered to. Otherwise women will lose out.

KiteofUncertainty · 06/03/2024 16:41

I think you are outlining a different problem, which is more of an issue for men's football.
Scouts are targetting areas of Africa where these male DSDs are known to occur - many are heritable conditions - and looking for likely candidates for various sports, not just football. I suspect that unless the child/teenager is not interested in any sport or the parents are not interested in making money on their child's behalf, pretty much all the males recruited will be successful because the male athletic performance advantage guarantees it.

Needmoresleep · 06/03/2024 14:26

Unless there are clear and enforceable guidelines and enforcement this will be a huge problem. All over Europe clubs are recruiting young teenagers from Africa and elsewhere for their academies. Only one in 100 at best will make it. The rest will be expected to pack up and go home to an uncertain future.

Or......realise they were a woman all along.

Jezzz · 06/03/2024 09:44

KiteofUncertainty · 05/03/2024 21:08

Unfortunately, that's not true - some other players who refused gender verification tests (or their national federation refused on their behalf) are at European clubs. Going back to the NWSL, I think Banda is the second this season.
I can see this turning into an arms race - once a team gets away with it, other teams will want to get the same advantage and gradually more and more males will be in women's team, with knock-on effects for participation by girls and women.

Absolutely right about the "arms race" implications

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KiteofUncertainty · 06/03/2024 08:40

I'm sick of the authorities allowing it and the clubs and these male players taking advantage.

domineastronomy · 05/03/2024 21:48

So sick of these cheats

KiteofUncertainty · 05/03/2024 21:08

Unfortunately, that's not true - some other players who refused gender verification tests (or their national federation refused on their behalf) are at European clubs. Going back to the NWSL, I think Banda is the second this season.
I can see this turning into an arms race - once a team gets away with it, other teams will want to get the same advantage and gradually more and more males will be in women's team, with knock-on effects for participation by girls and women.

MattDamon · 05/03/2024 20:31

Bumping this thread as Banda is joining the Orlando Pride for a 'record fee'. Orlando is part of the NWSL, the equivalent to our WSL.

https://twitter.com/soccerdonna/status/1765091082168336666

There's a reason no European team would touch Banda. Will be interesting to see if any American players speak out.

https://twitter.com/soccerdonna/status/1765091082168336666

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2023 16:23

Verysurprised · 31/07/2023 13:58

I've just seen that the penalty Banda scored will go down in history as this is the 1000th goal scored in the women's world cup.

😡😠

imed · 31/07/2023 16:19

Oh ffs

Verysurprised · 31/07/2023 13:58

I've just seen that the penalty Banda scored will go down in history as this is the 1000th goal scored in the women's world cup.

imed · 31/07/2023 08:39

Don't think England are through yet! If we lose to China they'll go through on head to head so the other match will be crucial.
Oh Banda has scored from a controversial penalty☹️