DM -Italy erases names of gay mothers from birth certs

Isn't that a good reason why it gets recorded? So a child who has no contact, for whatever reason, has a name if they ever do want find them. It's well documented that adults with an absent parent often have a great need to find the missing side of their family.

*Every child has a male and a female parent.

Every single one.

We're creating fictions here.*

Again - it's not a fiction. Noone is claiming that a child has two mothers and no father. But not every child has a male parent in their life.

If the second field says “other parent” are you ok with a woman’s name going down?

Parents of surrogate children have to adopt the child or apply for a parental order (if the child is genetically theirs), they can’t falsify a birth certificate and say they are the mother.

The way to stop surrgocey is to bring them in with adoption rules like step parents have to step parents have to go through the adoption process like all other unrelated biological adults who want to be legally recognised to parent a child

What a good idea.

If the second field says “other parent” are you ok with a woman’s name going down?

If a birth certificate is a factual document with mother who gave birth named then there can't logically be another female named as the mother.

”The register of birth held by the state would always also need to record the mother who gave birth, even in a surrogacy situation, and she would need to legally agree pre-conception if she wanted to not be recorded as a legal parent. This would to prevent stealing of babies or coercive control to hand one over circumventing proper adoption routes.”

There would also need to be a legal agreement that the parents for whom she is providing surrogacy were guaranteed to take the child. It’s not unknown for them to decide they don’t want the child, for various reasons, at which point the mother suddenly finds herself legally responsible for a child that she never intended to raise herself.

Surrogacy has the potential to create awful problems. Obviously it can’t be prevented altogether as people would just do it illegally, but I think the current situation, where the use of surrogates seems to be increasing, is likely to lead to an increasing number of complex problems, most of which are not in the child’s interest.

Their is well in this county there is

I have a son who is 23 not my husbands biological son when he was six he applied for parental responsibility gives him all the rights that a biological father would have the end but the man who’s on my sons birth certificate is not my husband because well he’s “not the father” as Jerry springer would say

Making lesbian parents adopt children provides no advantages or benefits to the child or that family.

I don’t see this as being about lesbians.

I see it as being about people with no biological relationship to a child wanting to be registered on their birth certificate.

I think this has consequences and that there should be some way to register a non-biologically related person with parental responsibility, without them being named on the birth certificate. I don’t think it should be gruelling process like adoption, because the baby will still be with its mother, so no separation is involved. But there should be an additional process in place, sort of like adoption, but sort of like registering a birth, with specific rights associated with it.

Because their not the biological parent

should a man who feels like a women have who is the biological father be marked as the biological mother on a child’s birth certificate if not why not

if truth means nothing then we are unable to have a debate

Making lesbian parents adopt children provides no advantages or benefits to the child or that family.

I don’t see this as being about lesbians.

I see it as being about people with no biological relationship to a child wanting to be registered on their birth certificate.

I think this has consequences and that there should be some way to register a non-biologically related person with parental responsibility, without them being named on the birth certificate. I don’t think it should be gruelling process like adoption, because the baby will still be with its mother, so no separation is involved. But there should be an additional process in place, sort of like adoption, but sort of like registering a birth, with specific rights associated with it.

Making lesbian parents adopt children provides no advantages or benefits to the child or that family.

I don’t see this as being about lesbians.

I see it as being about people with no biological relationship to a child wanting to be registered on their birth certificate.

I think this has consequences and that there should be some way to register a non-biologically related person with parental responsibility, without them being named on the birth certificate. I don’t think it should be gruelling process like adoption, because the baby will still be with its mother, so no separation is involved. But there should be an additional process in place, sort of like adoption, but sort of like registering a birth, with specific rights associated with it.

Are you arguing against having birth certificates at all?

How is having a parent registered who will be a parent not accurate? She’s not being registered as the father or mother, she’s being accurately registered as a parent.

Exactly, do people really think a child who has lesbian parents is not going to realise they can’t have two biological mums? In the UK children born by donor conception have the legal right to information about their donor when they turn 18, so naming a woman’s partner as a parent on the birth certificate does not in anyway prevent them from finding out who their donor is. I can’t see any reason why it would disadvantage a child to have someone who is their parent registered as a parent on the BC, it actually benefits the child as the parent has a financial responsibility to them due to being their legal parent. In the event the birth mother died during labour the parent would also immediately be their guardian, how would this work if they hadn’t adopted them yet? They would have no rights what so ever. Making lesbian parents adopt children provides no advantages or benefits to the child or that family.

hink I'm arguing that it is reasonable to have the 1 or 2 people who are stepping up and taking legal parental responsibility for the child from birth to be on the birth certificate.

no this is not the purpose of a birth certificate it’s not to validate the people who want to take legal responsibility
it’s to record accurate information about the birth

time date place mother father hospital ect