DM -Italy erases names of gay mothers from birth certs

Daily Mail and Miriam Cates and Posie Parker and the idiots who picket children's drag hour.

are you claiming posie or Miriam cates or daily mail readers are homophobic my sister is a lesbian and reads the daily mail
and to be honest men twerking in front of kids needs protesting

and why can’t you just have your own views and hang out with your family

unless your in a cult then most people are a rounded view of people they agree with some things and don’t with others

being stright dose not preclude you from having a view on what is and isn’t homophobia just like women can have a view on what is and isn’t transphobia

if you feel that homosexuality is less tolerated then you need to talk to the over sexualised pride event organisers

drag queens who are desperate to twerk to kids

and the men who just can’t possibly have a wee with out it being in the ladies before these panomanom homosexual acceptance was nearly at a all time high

I find this a really interesting dilemma
Have been reading the whole thread through.
I was (and still kind of am) that it should be biological mother and father on there.
As a child has a right to know who both of theirs are.
I'm torn though, as I can see it's not always as easy as that.
We have lesbian couples who are legally both parents, just like me and my husband are.
Why should one have no parental rights if they are the parent just as much as the one who gave birth, they could even have produced the egg so would make them just as much the mum?
So not only are lesbians being affected, we have on this thread someone saying DNA tests around for all to see who the father is, so affects lesbian women, straight women, we're all affected.
LGBT rights, and women's rights, they're all intertwined. All at risk if you start going after one which people always deny or ignore if it's pointed out
Not to mention DNA tests all round to prove paternity sounds bloody dangerous if say someone was married and having an affair, or had a one night stand with someone they knew nothing about, or were raped....

I believe that contracts are signed to protect them against this. Without a contract, they could be chased for maintenance.

lesbians are perfectly capable of jointly being biological mothers. I know a few lesbians in which the fertilised egg of one woman was implanted in the other. So one is the genetic mother and one the birth mother. Both should go on the birth certificate, surely, along with bio father if known.

You will be shocked to find out that social services don’t routinely do DNA

I also think any family members claiming to be related to unclaimed minors should have to do dna tests as well

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So is the biological mother the one who gave birth or the one who donated the egg?

How does that work with sperm donors?

But even if you could adopt both mother would have not be the children mother

if we’re open to the lie then we are in TRA land

a child has one biological mother so for the purpose of the birth certificate it matters not wether your

If that were true, you wouldn’t be able to get the CSA to chase child maintenance as a result of DNA evidence.

I don't think the State really cares who the father of the baby is. It's more important to know who is legally responsible for it.

Yes, this is the crux of the matter. Essentially the woman who gave birth is the mother from a legal and biological process perspective, but the woman who provided the egg is the genetic mother.

This is the thing, people are racing ahead doing novel things to have children in the here and now without really thinking through the implications, ethics or consequences in the long term.

It's a bit odd how little governance there is over it really, I wasn't asked for any ID throughout pregnancy or when registering the birth so I probably could have even made up my own details to be honest!

@Thatgirl1981 I think that would be a very dangerous road to go down.

I mean, I guess it depends on how you are defining deception.

Are you assuming that the “Dad” is fully informed of the situation and the child is brought up understanding that they are not genetically linked to their father?

In my mind, in a situation where a woman knows that her spouse is not the biological father to her child she is potentially deceiving her husband, her child and also the actual biological parent of her child. The consequences are potentially devastating. The “Dad” may not want to raise a child that is not biologically his. The child might be devastated when she finds out at 20 that she is unrelated to her father. The biological father may missed out on developing a relationship with his child. Birth Certificates are intended to have the biological parent on them. It’s why you can have a non-bio father removed if it is later found out that they are not the genetically the parent. Afaik you can’t have a bio father removed from a birth certificate.

I actually think DNA tests should be done before fathers are allowed on birth certificates

kill lots of birds

men would not be able deny children they should be taken responsibility for

all children in the uk would know who their father is

mothers would not be able to lie about who the father is

But a lesbian couple are not eligible to adopt in Italy so one mother will be cut out.

Pri0n1, I'm surprised you think it ok to tell me my concerns about homophobia are bollocks.

I'm a lesbian who has been active against gender ideology for a long time. It has cost me quite a lot. I'm an ex board member of Stonewall and a few years ago met with them to discuss my concerns, one of which was the inevitable backlash and how that will affect lesbians and gay men. (You can imagine how well that went.)

Well, here we are. So much heat and grief and a whole bloody culture war in which real people are getting hurt. Sensible lesbian and gay people - and sensible trans-identified people too - are bring told to pick a side: either you can hang out with mad Terf-hunters and autogynephiles and furries and pink-haired students and childrens drag hour, or you can choose the Daily Mail and Miriam Cates and Posie Parker and the idiots who picket children's drag hour.

I'm so done with politics that doesn't recognise nuance, or balance, or the accommodations that have to be part of a pluralist society. I came out in the early 1980s and I've had plenty of time and cause to get very angry about many things, but I'm also old enough to know that if your politics creates human misery, something is very wrong.

Also bit fed up of straight people telling me that my concerns about homophobia are bollocks.

I say who carried the child but actually not sure what happens in this case if the fertilised egg is from the other woman.

It’s not complicated the people who are your biological parents get named
of birth certificates everyone elase adoption certificate or SGO or parental responsibility certificate

It's a shame as it erases parental responsibility for the woman who didn't carry the child, but this could be ensured other ways im guessing. Certainly some lesbian couples one woman will carry the child through pregnancy but actually the fertilised egg is that of the other; who would people list as the biological mother? I've never seen people as bothered about birth certificates as on here mind, I expect plenty have the wrong father on for a start.

Yes. It would help with donor conceptions, and surrogacy situations, as well as same sex couples.

One of my DC was donor conceived and I would actively prefer it. The child deserves a record of genetic parenthood as well as the social/legal parents.

Too many official documents are becoming misleading.

You can’t have two mothers sorry she’s correct I have adopted two children I am not named of the birth certificates
I have been issues with a adoption certificate

and that’s why the fucking transgenders fuck my off I am closer to being my children’s mother than they are a women 🤨but it would be a lie to claim I am the Children biological parent so I am not allowed to alter their birth certificate but transgenders are allow to lie on there’s