Cancel Culture and The Chilling Effect - a thread to share your experiences

Sorry- zombie thread!

Plenty of lesbians DO get pregnant. But I get what you mean...think tho, as you say, overall this description better fits gay men..

There is the so-called lesbian wage premium, where they tend to work longer hours (as less likely to have kids, and may take longer to find a partner due to small dating pool) and are more likely to go into higher paying male-dominated fields like STEM..

But at the same time, this is not the full picture. They earn more than straight women but still less on average than men, and are also according to some studies, more likely to earn less and be high school dropouts (though these studies I think tended more US than UK, where esp in rural areas there could still be issues with family/school)

@ArabeIIaScott Sometimes, ideas that appear to be hugely popular are secretly opposed by most of the population.'

Things like Bud light would give some credence to the notion that gender ideology support may be wide but actually quite shallow.

I'm not great at them - I'm still scratching my head over @ArabeIIaScott's one - but always found the Telegraph one reasonably doable, as it had a fairly consistent syntax. Anagrams were usually signified by synonyms of confused or muddled eg "FWR poster makes a disorganised bundle (6)", initially meant you had to use the first letter of each of a group of words to find the answer, and hidden/within either meant you could find the answer stretched across a couple of adjacent words in the wording of the clue, or if that didn't help it meant you had to put the answer to one bit of the clue inside the answer to the other bit. I find the Private Eye one nigh on impossible though.

It is!

dunBle · Today 20:44

Lamelie · Today 10:01

^OldCrone Maybe not here least this thread goes too, can’t work out this:
“Just before it went I'd used the 'f' word about males who identify as trans”^

To go full cryptic crossword, "The extra-terrestrial hides amongst sea-life (6)?

I can’t do crosswords but given the context Is extra terrestrial “ET” and the sea-life “Fish”?

Honestly, you don't have to be clever - it's a learnt skill. Once you can recognise the type of clue, you can do them. I taught myself to do it, but now I've forgotten again!

I'm not clever enough for cryptic crosswords - my brain just doesn't work that way. I don't get either of those clues. At all!

To go full cryptic crossword, "The extra-terrestrial hides amongst sea-life (6)?

I've sent you a PM.

I should have said I used this word about some men who identify as trans.

Yes, it was poorly phrased rather than intentionally offensive.

@OldCrone Maybe not here least this thread goes too, can’t work out this:
“Just before it went I'd used the 'f' word about males who identify as trans”

Just before it went I'd used the 'f' word about males who identify as trans. I thought my post might go as there are people who don't like us drawing attention to that aspect, but not the whole thread. Some people objected to the title, which seemed like poor phrasing rather than being deliberately offensive.

Yes, I was coming to this thread to post the same

an interesting thread starting from a valid hypothesis (there are increasing numbers of people who identify as trans because until recently they have been closeted in the same way as homosexuals) deleted for no good reason I could see

people just scream ‘homophobic’, ‘transphobic’ at anything they remotely disagree with in an effort to stop the bad words

if you disagree with something, explain why. That’s fair more likely to kill bad ideas than refusing to even engage with them

Are you comfortable to talk about gender/sex openly? Out of work and face to face with friends yes. My oldest friends are 100% on the same page- nhs and education. Other slightly younger friends are either uninterested or useful idiots.
Would you raise it at work? Absolutely 100% not. Conspicuously no pronouns on my emails though and I’ve been eased out of the sex specific service I worked in for ten years so I suspect they know and are avoiding conflict.
Would you/do you raise it with your child's school? I would have I think yes. Had a good profile and status re race and equality so I think I’d have been brave.
At home? DDs think I’m a nasty old bigot but I’ve shut down any slurs. Happy to discuss but 100% intolerant of passing comments. Either discuss properly or stfu. DS and DH know and agree. Parents are useful idiots/ be kind and uninterested. My older relative died- was very supportive about values and prejudice, one of the many reasons I miss him so much.
On social media? Not Facebook which is friends and the aforementioned useful idiots. Although if they looked they’d see Rosie,
Julie and lots of other gc friends. Twitter yes- bravely with my photo.

Just noticed a relatively new thread has been removed by mumsnet - " because it infringes the talk guidelines".

There was no abuse, no swearing, just an involved discussion involving elements of .disagreement.

Here, in action.

I'm reading an interesting book at the moment by Frank Furedi - " Borders: Why Humanity Needs To Re-Learn The Art of Drawing Boundaries'

In it he discusses the modern cultural embrace of openness and non judgmentalism as inherent virtues, and the denigration of boundaries, discrimination and differentiation.

But as old boundaries are being wilfully eroded, newer boundaries are being erected around what is permissible or not permissable to say, or even to think.
He argues that a culture of surveillance necessarily follows such shifts - as the boundaries of acceptability have to be policed in order to maintain them.

It occurs to me that the more traditional boundaries have evolved to differentiate between one society and another, between male and female, and between children and adults, as just a few examples; whereas the new boundaries are being very tightly erected around individual identity and the identity of the new groupings ( which are now race and gender ( rather than sex).

The new crimes are thought crimes and crimes of speech. Scary territory.

Are you comfortable to talk about gender/sex openly?
Very much so

Would you raise it at work?
Have done, nhs I'm an their nemesis

Would you/do you raise it with your child's school?
Thankfully kids have left school but I keep an eye on what my grandkids are being taught .

At home? All the time and my partner and wider family and friends agree with me.

On social media? All the time on Twitter.

The nhs has fallen. I'm brave for saying im GC
I will protect my dementia patients.
New guidance off nhs confederation to my last count is at odds with 17 points of the nmc code.
It's against nhs values
It's against the 6cs

I've told my trust that , completely taken over and infiltrated by the rainbow mafia

Ask Kathleen Stock.... supposedly cancelled and seems to be on every media outlet.
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So no, don't see there being any chilling effect.

Apart from how Prof Stock was forced to resign and have people screaming whenever invited to speak, I think you missed the point about how @ArabeIIaScott was using this thread to ask us, you know, regular women leading regular lives working in all kinds of industries, about our experiences of a chilling effect. You seem very determined to ignore our comments.

For me cancel culture is in part the things you don't say, you write out an e-mail or post or tweet and then just cancel without saying it.

Like this - this is the thing I didn't say today

yeah I always want to ask at what age do you think kids are mature enough to:-

get tattoos
get drunk
have sex
get married
decide that they will never be happy in their body and know for sure that sex, orgasms and reproduction aren't important to them now or in the future.